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VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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post #71

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Looks like it only works if you use the *arr stack, which I don’t.

If you're already using Jellyfin, then why not? Don't want to complicate the stack?

I've seen this sentiment a lot, and it's always confused me a bit. I only use Jellyfin as well, I've never really seen the appeal of the *arr stack. I really don't see the appeal of having a firehose pointed at my Jellyfin instance, which requires like eight additional services that need to run.

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

#102

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> Computers are INCREDIBLY efficient and still become orders of magnitude more efficient. That's what a software engineer would say who views resources as unlimited and free.

Do you not pay for the energy you use?

> don't cross-examine

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

#103

I recently used some subtitles that I later found out had been AI generated. The experience wasn't really good to be honest - the text was technically correct but the way multiline phrases were split made them somehow extremely hard to parse. The only reason I learned AI was involved is that it was bad enough for me to stop viewing and check what was wrong. Hopefully it's an implementation detail and we'll see better…

On Youtube I really like the auto-generated captions and often prefer them to the creator's because:

- Sometimes the creator bases their captions on the script and misses changes in edit

- Sometimes the creator's captions are perfect transcriptions but broken up and timed awkwardly

Auto-generated captions aren't always perfect but unlike human captions provide word-by-word timing.

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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post #80
post #47

Very excited for this, but a waste of energy if everyone is needing to process their video in real time.

Why are we still talking about this? Computers are INCREDIBLY efficient and still become orders of magnitude more efficient. Computation is really negligible in the grand scheme of things. In the 80s some people also said that our whole world energy would go to computations in the future. And look today. It’s less than 1%. We do orders of magnitude more computations, but the computers have become orders of magnitude…

> In the 80s some people also said that our whole world energy would go to computations in the future. And look today.

Today we consume twice as much energy as we did in the 80s (and that's mostly coming from an increase in fossil fuels consumption). Datacenters alone consume more than 1% of global energy production, that doesn't include the network, the terminals, and the energy necessary to produce all of the hardware.

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

#106
post #52

There's an art to subtitling that goes beyond mere speech-to-text processing. Sometimes it's better to paraphrase dialog to reduce the amount of text that needs to be read. Sometimes you need to name a voice as unknown, to avoid spoilers. Sometimes the positioning on the screen matters. I hope the model can be made to understand all this.

> There's an art to subtitling that goes beyond mere speech-to-text processing.

Agreed.

> Sometimes it's better to paraphrase dialog to reduce the amount of text that needs to be read.

Hard no. If it’s the same language, the text you read should match the text you listen to. Having those not match makes parsing confusing and slow.

> Sometimes you need to name a voice as unknown, to avoid spoilers.

Subtitles don’t usually mention who’s talking, because you can see that. Taking the source of a voice is uncommon and not something I expect these system to get right anyway.

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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post #34

It's really sad that I'm reading "open source model" and think "hmhm, as if". Maybe they're really using a truly open source model (probably not) but the meaning of the word is muddied already.

Yeah, it'd be nice if we could all use 'open source' to mean 'open weights' + 'open training set', instead of just 'open weights'. I fear that ship has sailed though. Maybe call it a 'libre' model or something?

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI subtitles are just text representation of the sound track. There is no need for artistic interpretation, substituting words, or hiding information. If it’s in the audio, there’s no reason to keep it out of the subtitle. An AI subtitle generator that takes artistic license with the conversion is not what anyone wants.

That doesn't work for idioms, certainly in Italian, which has multiple colorful metaphors which would be mystifying if translated directly.

I don't think anybody's talking about translations.

Re: VLC tops 6B downloads, previews AI-generated subtitles

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post #67
post #52

There's an art to subtitling that goes beyond mere speech-to-text processing. Sometimes it's better to paraphrase dialog to reduce the amount of text that needs to be read. Sometimes you need to name a voice as unknown, to avoid spoilers. Sometimes the positioning on the screen matters. I hope the model can be made to understand all this.

> Sometimes it's better to paraphrase dialog to reduce the amount of text that needs to be read Please no. Some subtitle companies do think like this, and it's really weird, like when they try to "convert" cultural jokes, and then add in a bunch of more assumptions regarding what cultures you're aware of depending on the subtitle language, making it even harder to understand... Just because I want my subtitles in Eng…

More precisely speaking, there are two kinds of subtly different subtitles with different audiences: those with auditory imparements and those with less understanding of given language. The former will benefit from paraphrasing while the latter will be actively disadvantaged due to the mismatch.
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