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Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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Post by wruza »

pulkitsh1234 wrote: post #40
xp84 wrote: post #20

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For a long time humans did not breed animals for the sake of eating them, they used to hunt (just like a lion). No one was guilt-tripping anyone in those days (I hope), as we had to survive (not thrive). The situation has changed completely in the modern world. We have created meat factories, forcefully torturing millions of animals daily, and have somehow agreed upon what animals to kill and not to kill. A lion will…

A lion will kill anything that moves

That’s a common self-indulgence. Many predators in fact couldn’t care less if prey is still twitching or whining, as long as it doesn’t run away.

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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Post by em-bee »

b5n wrote: post #31
xp84 wrote: post #20

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Do you and a lion possess the same degree of executive function? Plant based diets are: - more affordable - better for the environment - healthier - avoid/reduce cruelty (livestock and human) If you want to eat meat, fine, but the comment you replied to is innocuous and not "guilt-tripping" anyone.

on a global scale more affordable may be true. unfortunately on an individual level in many places it is not. where i am meat is cheaper than the nuts and other vegetables needed to replace it, and those here that can't even afford meat from time to time end up with a rather poor diet.

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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Post by stickfigure »

foota wrote: post #73
cloverich wrote: post #68

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I always have mixed feelings about this. It's sad. But how is her pod supporting her exactly? Are they bringing her food? If so is that food the dead offspring of other animals? I feel these kinds of stories often have a kind of selective empathy for the focused animal. Ultimately nature is extraordinarily cruel absent humans; imo humans are the only hope for something better, if such a thing even makes sense.

I'm not a vegetarian etc., but you could argue that humans are both the only hope for something different, but also the only species capable of a particular sort of cruelty that comes from the society we live in for animals and other people. That is, animals may kill to eat, but humans slaughter animals to get tastier/more convenient/etc., food.

Not so fast:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-killer-wha...

Re: Orca that carried dead calf for weeks appears to be in mourning again

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Post by renewiltord »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #18
renewiltord wrote: post #8

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I hope you never go through a life event that makes you regret this comment.

It’s a freaking fish, man. Of course we should all hope that humans don’t go through the same thing. It’s like looking at salmon and being “I hope you, guy eating the salmon, never experiences being filleted and then cooked into a delicious dish in an oven, with some sliced lemons on top of you and some asparagus on the side”. No shit! Humans are different! This is just one of those pity parties that people throw posting upworthy etc etc because a fish got long covid.

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Post by em-bee »

pulkitsh1234 wrote: post #44
mystified5016 wrote: post #41

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Practicality. To put it bluntly, the majority of humans do not think it is immoral in principle to kill and eat an animal. After all, that's how biological life just is. At an individual level, you can choose to think it's wrong but you do have to simply accept the fact that not everyone agrees, and very likely there will always be someone who disagrees. To most people, killing an animal for food is not a problem con…

> The majority of humans do not think it is immoral in principle to kill and eat an animal This is wrong, the majority of humans may think that way because they don't have to kill any animal personally, they are disconnected from the "killing" part of the whole equation. Let's see how many people eat and kill animals (i.e. hunting) once we remove meat factories. Another counterargument is: pets. Somehow all meat eate…

the majority of humans may think that way because they don't have to kill any animal personally, they are disconnected from the "killing" part of the whole equation.

until a century or two ago this was simply not true. everyone grew up with animals around them and for sure watched them being slaughtered.

people being bothered by that have always been the exception.

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Post by kacesensitive »

mulmen wrote: post #74
laidoffamazon wrote: post #27

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Lions are quite dumb, Humans are very smart and can be vegan or vegetarian because of civilization and economic specialization. Unrelatedly, elephants are quite a bit smarter than lions and herbivorous, as are many primates!

Orcas are considered to be very intelligent but they hunt and kill for sport.

The intelligence gap between lion and orca is much slimmer than orca and human.

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Post by gnabgib »

renewiltord wrote: post #84
pavel_lishin wrote: post #18

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I hope you never go through a life event that makes you regret this comment.

It’s a freaking fish, man. Of course we should all hope that humans don’t go through the same thing. It’s like looking at salmon and being “I hope you, guy eating the salmon, never experiences being filleted and then cooked into a delicious dish in an oven, with some sliced lemons on top of you and some asparagus on the side”. No shit! Humans are different! This is just one of those pity parties that people throw pos…

The orca is a mammal[0]. Salmon, while also impressive, are fish.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orca

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Post by renewiltord »

gnabgib wrote: post #88
renewiltord wrote: post #84

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It’s a freaking fish, man. Of course we should all hope that humans don’t go through the same thing. It’s like looking at salmon and being “I hope you, guy eating the salmon, never experiences being filleted and then cooked into a delicious dish in an oven, with some sliced lemons on top of you and some asparagus on the side”. No shit! Humans are different! This is just one of those pity parties that people throw pos…

The orca is a mammal[0]. Salmon, while also impressive, are fish. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orca

So are cows and no one ever goes “Aw man, nice wagyu. I hope no one ever slices you up and serves you all fatty on a grill”. That would be weird as fuck. You wouldn’t be welcome at any barbeque.

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Post by spondylosaurus »

ValentineC wrote: post #70
spondylosaurus wrote: post #64

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I don't think non-dairy milks are artificially expensive so much as cow milk is artificially cheap. At least in the US. Federal dairy subsidies and all that.

Oat/almond milk suppliers are definitely pricing them artificially expensive. Here in Singapore, where soy milk has been around for decades, soy milk in both fresh and UHT forms tend to be much cheaper than dairy.

If Singapore doesn't have dairy subsidies and/or imports a lot of dairy... that's probably why. You're paying the "real" price while US consumers are paying the "discount" price.

Also, soy milk's been around for decades in the US too! I drank a lot as a kid. My mom would keep these little single-serving cartons in her purse for us, like juicebox-sized.

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