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I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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I have several friends on the administrative side at Universities. The two things you have to realize is that there are an incredible number of administrative staff at Universities and they're extremely territorial. You rocked someone's boat and they got upset. They have a lot of time on their hands because there are so, so many people in administration. Now they're coming after you like it's their job. I think you'r…

This is the negative part of bullshit jobs that become harmful to others once their existence starts to be threatened!

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Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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The comments here are almost entirely of one voice: UW bad. Student innocent.

It is not hard to find the policy in question. I quote from the UW Registrar's website, their policy on tampering and abuse of the registration system, as cited in the subject of the email the student received:

> The registration system is provided for the sole express purpose for students to register themselves into sections. Any use of the registration system other than for this purpose is considered abuse of the system. Such abuse includes, but is not limited to, buying or selling one’s seat in a class, holding seats for another student, or otherwise registering for a section that one has no intention of taking. [0]

The student's project, though well-intentioned, is in clear violation of this policy. And it ought to be forbidden. There are plenty of ways this kind of a system could go wrong, including creating incentives to overregister or develop a registration black market, not to mention the technical liabilities of letting a bot talk to the database at bot-speed.

Now, as for follow-up conversations the student and the university have had, we have not seen these emails. We have only heard the student's own summary, which, given the high stakes and personally significant impact, may very well have been editorialized so that the university looks unreasonable and the student reasonable.

I, for one, cannot pass such quick and single-minded judgment as everyone else without seeing these emails.

[0] https://registrar.washington.edu/registration/policies-proce...

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Update: I immediately took down my class project site after receiving yesterday’s ultimatum. I still don’t think the simple demo site violated the letter or spirit of the registration rules, but I took it down because I always want to operate in good faith. They followed up today to thank me for doing it, but also indicated that they were putting a hold on my account anyway. As a result, I am not going to be able to…

> as I have faith that UW leadership will make it right in the end.

They are actively trying to fuck you over- stop hoping and having faith that it will somehow magically work out. Your degree is at stake. You need to escalate, and that starts with talking with a lawyer.

Right now, you are being the worst kind of naive.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have a lot of time on their hands because there are so, so many people in administration. Not so polite take: most of them could be replaced by a 20 line shell script.

Actually, they can't. Their job isn't to do whatever is on the description, their job is to give someone for their boss to have in his little fiefdom. Lord of the Shell Scripts doesn't ring as fun as having 20 employees, even if the shell scripts do more.

In that case, even better: lay off all the subordinates, and replace the boss with a 20 line shell script.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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That’s just how colleges are. I once reported to my alma mater that a somewhat obscure (but obviously public) link seemed to trigger the download of a zip of student details for no discernible reason (I think it was a WIP site), and they immediately threatened to call the FBI on me. I just sort of laughed it off, but I decided that was the last time I was going to initiate any sort of contact with them if I didn’t ab…

Isn't it weird how universities are so hostile towards their students? Some professors are genuinely interested in developing students and are great, but many faculty and administrators - and the overall tone of the schools - are draconian.

Universities are businesses, they aren't institutions of learning. Students are on the "liability" side of the balance sheet. Students who stand out could accrue massive costs.

Professors? The problem is tenure.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Update: I immediately took down my class project site after receiving yesterday’s ultimatum. I still don’t think the simple demo site violated the letter or spirit of the registration rules, but I took it down because I always want to operate in good faith. They followed up today to thank me for doing it, but also indicated that they were putting a hold on my account anyway. As a result, I am not going to be able to…

This is a huge story and if it goes viral, it could put a lot of heat on UW. Write a detailed post on your LinkedIn, Twitter, anywhere that could get the attention of media. Better yet, link your post here and I'd gladly help spread the word. What UW is doing is extortion especially for their fuck-up. Be polite in your post and just write down the facts.

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Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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You can definitely bang out all the major requirements in 2 years if you don't need any gen ed classes (e.g. community college or other transfer credits). ~18 class-quarters of requirements, 3 classes/quarter => 6 quarters. Possibly as short as 4-5 quarters if you can manage a higher courseload.

Wow, really? So you just pay for a year instead of 4 years? Why do people not do that more?

You still need the gen ed credits from somewhere. And you have to actually get in to the major, which is hard for UW CSE (desirable major with limited spots).

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Update: I immediately took down my class project site after receiving yesterday’s ultimatum. I still don’t think the simple demo site violated the letter or spirit of the registration rules, but I took it down because I always want to operate in good faith. They followed up today to thank me for doing it, but also indicated that they were putting a hold on my account anyway. As a result, I am not going to be able to…

> I am not planning to get a lawyer involved as I have faith that UW leadership will make it right in the end. All evidence so far indicates they will not make it right, but instead they may make it even worse. Your faith is wildly misplaced. Seriously, talk to a lawyer. Keep in mind, just because you seek advice from a lawyer doesn't mean you need to take legal action against the school. Talking to a lawyer is not a…

Also, merely them knowing you have a lawyer instantly reframes the problem in their eyes. The path of least resistance to dealing with a "problematic" student is making the student go away. The path of least resistance to dealing with a "problematic" student with a lawyer is making the lawyer go away.

All of a sudden bureaucrats will be getting visits from internal legal departments asking very pointed questions about questionable actions.

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Update: I immediately took down my class project site after receiving yesterday’s ultimatum. I still don’t think the simple demo site violated the letter or spirit of the registration rules, but I took it down because I always want to operate in good faith. They followed up today to thank me for doing it, but also indicated that they were putting a hold on my account anyway. As a result, I am not going to be able to…

As you describe it, this is so egregious that you might find pro-bono legal support from major advocacy non-profits like The Institute for Justice.

https://ij.org/

Re: I had to take down my course-swapping site or be expelled

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, really? So you just pay for a year instead of 4 years? Why do people not do that more?

You normally pay per credit, so not quite, and also that way you'll have lower grades, fewer chances to get internships, and make less connections.

UW charges the same fixed credit rate for 10-18 credits/quarter then adds significant per-credit fees above 18 to explicitly discourage super high courseloads.
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