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Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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Slave labor (which is permitted under the 13th amendment as punishment for a crime) undercuts the wages that you would pay in the market hurting both the prisoners (as they aren't paid appropriately or given appropriate medical care for injuries, etc) and the would-be non-prison firefighters. Worse, you generally can't be a firefighter once you get out of prison as they don't hire ex-convicts. Consequently you're not…

I'm not informed on the specifics on these cases, but I generally view that (many/most) prisoners have a debt to society for breaking the social contract and serving the community by making it safer is a generally positive activity. I'm happy to adjust my opinion on this topic if provided evidence that inmate firefighters either are unsafe for the community or have worse outcomes than other inmates.

I find it curious that some people here consider it as slavery ?

It is an optional activity if I understand right.

It seems rewarding to do a training to become a firefighter and join the team, than to idle in prison.

It is a volunteer role. Many people in the world become volunteers in the firefighters, a lot are unpaid. They do it for reasons beyond money (making friends, feeling useful, helping people, etc).

A prisoner may get some carrot as a reward (like less served time) but at the end, they all benefit.

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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The relative humidity is 0.33 [1]. The previous lowest recorded relative humidity was 0.36 in Needles CA and Iran [2] [1] https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=KSMO [2] https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/world-record-low-humidity-...

Maximum being 1 or 100?

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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post #82

Global warming doing it's thing.

It is ironic that LA is one of the oldest fossil industry originations, Pacific Palisades probably includes a lot of old LA oil money driving gas guzzling Range Rovers, and that the fire surrounds the Getty Villa of the OG Getty Oil Company.

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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Los Angeles Fire Department funding was cut by over $23M only a few months ago. The fires are currently being fought by a skeleton crew of remaining fire fighters and volunteers. Can't say if that funding would have prevented it, but cutting it definitely has not helped. Source: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/08/los-angeles-fires-m... Edit: Changing a word, "gutted" -> "cut"

This is slightly misleading because it doesn't take into account the extra funding they got when contract negotiations finished

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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Crime is rampant, cut the police budget. I hear ya'.

Judging by the history of the Los Angeles Police Department and their own gangs, run by members of the department, policemen, getting rid of cops might actually help reduce crime!

FWIW that's LASD, not LAPD

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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Global warming doing it's thing.

'It will continue to happen until people realize the true root cause which is bad leadership... or continue blaming "climate change" and giving up because we're not changing how much China pollutes the air anytime soon. I would rather at least elect better leaders who have their priorities in order.

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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I really don't understand how SoCal and California residents in general find the the state's response to wildfires in the last decade to be acceptable. Not only have fire departments seen cutbacks, but so has the forestry needed for preventative measures. What really bugs me is what I find to be a disinterest and lack of belief in vastly expanding the fleet of water dropping aircraft. Letting fires burn to the extent…

It's not a binary choice between expanding aircraft and doing nothing. I have seen some convincing arguments that firefighting aircraft are mostly for show against large fires. Essentially the amount of water/chemicals they can move is trivial compared to land approaches, and the cost is significant. That doesn't mean that nothing should be done, just that the money should be spent on more effective measures. Lord kn…

Essentially the amount of water/chemicals they can move is trivial compared to land approaches

I'm sure that's correct for many geographies, but most of this fire is burning on steep mountainsides and in canyons without road access, or an occasional dirt road and no water connection. With the amount of wind, probably nothing could be done, land or air, once this started.

edit: Here is a glimpse of the terrain: https://x.com/firevalleyphoto/status/1876731317464760629

Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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I have a good view of the smoke column from Brentwood. I've also never seen a fire spread that fast. Same thing, in about an hour it went from a small fire to the smoke blocking out the sun. As a testament to the speed of the winds, I've never seen a smoke column visually move so quickly. Usually at that size and distance, they feel more like static objects. Edit: I'm preparing to evacuate tonight in case the order c…

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Re: LA wildfires force thousands to evacuate, NASA JPL closed

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> Asking for drones now He did not. It would be worth re-reading his comment. He's pointing out that we do have technology that could help with containment : quickly identify fires, communicate their location, and dispatch some local water carriers. He's also surmising that the cost of keeping these active would be less than the cost of damages, which could very well be true. Something like a Reaper drone, which he s…

Donald Trump embraced Elon Musk, we'll have to see where that takes us.

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