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Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by gitaarik »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #601
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fact checkers are often wrong, and often corrupted by the activists that end up working at them. For example I’ve repeatedly noticed articles from Politifact that are blatantly wrong or very misleading. When I look up those authors and their other work, their bias is clear. Community notes on X/Twitter is far more effective and accurate.

Yeah, journalism always has some inherent bias. But to say that the X community is going to be less biased than a fact-checking organization staffed by journalists whose job is to be neutral (within what's humanly possible), is frankly absurd.

But they are not claiming to have the facts. That's the big difference.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by benzible »

tptacek wrote: post #192

I'd like to hear an informed take from anybody who thinks that Facebook's fact-checkers were a better product feature than Community Notes. All of the articles I'm seeing about this online are ideological, but this feels like the kind of decision that should have been in the works for multiple quarters now, given how effective Notes have been, and how comically ineffective and off-putting fact-checkers have been. The…

How about the fact that Meta killing their fact-checking feature will have a very direct impact on the quality of Community Notes? Per today's Platformer:

"Another wrinkle: many Community Notes current cite as evidence fact-checks created by the fact-checking organizations that Meta just canceled all funding for." (https://www.platformer.news/meta-fact-checking-free-speech-s...)

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by kelseydh »

ziml77 wrote: post #591
01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #246

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Do they still mandate using your legal name? That's the biggest no-go for me. It's just awful opsec.

How do they validate that? YouTube also wanted my full name before they finally switched back to usernames. I just made up a pseudonym back then.

Facebook has pretty advanced features that cross check your digital signatures like IP address, browser, registered email, etc to prevent sockpuppeting. This is especially true if you want to make ads with your account.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by xvector »

llamaimperative wrote: post #636
chambers wrote: post #481

> When we launched our independent fact checking program in 2016, we were very clear that we didn’t want to be the arbiters of truth. We made what we thought was the best and most reasonable choice at the time, which was to hand that responsibility over to independent fact checking organizations... That’s not the way things played out, especially in the United States. Experts, like everyone else, have their own biase…

If only they had lawyers to defend their free speech rights

Then the government sics the FCC or European Commission on you, who make trumped up charges that they push through a kangaroo court to fine you billions.

There's no fighting a government, and all governments are corrupt if they see an opportunity to rent-seek from you.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by xvector »

coffeemug wrote: post #240
insane_dreamer wrote: post #166

I'm sure it's a win for Meta (less responsibility, less expense, potentially less criticism, potentially more ad dollars), but certainly a loss for users. More glad than ever that I deleted my FB account 10 years ago, and Twitter once it went X.

My twitter account wasn't big, but it was non-trivial (~30K followers). A post could usually get me to experts on most topics, find people to hang out with in most countries, etc. There were many benefits, so deleting was very hard. But it was eating my brain. I found myself mostly having tweet-shaped thoughts, there was an irresistible compulsion to check mentions 100 times a day, I somehow felt excluded from all th…

Seconded on "tweet-shaped thoughts," Threads is doing this to me as well.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by intended »

lr1970 wrote: post #534
davidw wrote: post #212

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The ideological bits are: * Dana White added to the board. * "Move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our US content review to Texas. This will help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content." - like people being in Texas makes them more objective?! The actual mechanisms of running a social media network at scale are tricky and I think most of us would…

> The ideological bits are: ... Should we expect Meta doing 180 degrees u-turns every 4 years when another party wins US Presidential elections?

Given the extremes of presidential candidates, I think the answer is Yes, since there exists no middle ground between fact and fiction.

Or I guess you can just capitulate and leave it all to users to handle on their own, and wash your hands of the whole thing.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by gitaarik »

LtWorf wrote: post #787
gitaarik wrote: post #768

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What is this based on? I see so many people shouting things like this, but there doesn't seem to be any basis for these arguments. They seem a bit useless and empty.

Experience.

Ah ok, nothing noteworthy

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by lifeinthevoid »

It’s funny to see these tech moguls bend the knee for the new king. All their values, their so called care for the community, everything they say, everything, … is just all a big play in an effort to make as much money as they can. It sickens me to watch this stuff unfold.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Post by f1refly »

Xcelerate wrote: post #103
coldpepper wrote: post #82

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The faster we decouple from societies like american, the better we europeans will be. We europeans defend our European way of life, against the degenerate capitalism of the US.

As an American who lived in Europe in the 90s when I was young, a lot that I really appreciated about the European way of life has deteriorated and is now almost unrecognizable to me in some ways. When I visit every few years, it amazes me how quickly Europe is “Americanizing”. More fast food and less traditional food. Ripping up vineyards that have been there for centuries. Fewer protections for your farmers. More p…

Vineyards are ripped up because they have become unprofitable due to decreased alcohol consumption in general. I'm not sure that has much to do with Americanization.
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