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Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by pavel_lishin »

JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B wrote: post #308
pavel_lishin wrote: post #173

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> It's not a competition. As a parent whose child has been in two school systems, respectfully: yes, it is. And it begins earlier than you think.

Was it ever a competition for you? I’m French and don’t remember that kind of thing.

I did all of my education post elementary school in the United States, specifically in Texas. Class space was limited in advanced subjects, and there are only so many scholarships to go around. If I had not gotten one, I am not sure if my family would have been able to afford college - which, regardless of we may think of the utility of higher education, definitely set me up with connections that set me on a career path that's currently supporting my family.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by TZubiri »

Novosell wrote: post #472
TZubiri wrote: post #403

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>Who controls the AI controls the world. Is this any different than the previous tech booms (or any industrial revolution for that matter). The US developed and exported almost all of the consumer (Google, Microsoft, Facebook) and infrastructural software (IP, Verisign, Linux). The US domination through software is so normalized that the limit of these imports by highly sovereign countries are seen as dangerous or in…

The US exported Linux? Linus Torvalds is Finnish and made it in Finland though?

Same fallacy as with python and guido van

Linus Moved to the US in 2004 and became a citizen with his family later.

The linux foundation is a california nfp.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by TZubiri »

physicsguy wrote: post #466
TZubiri wrote: post #396

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If you consider that plagiarism it's a bit overzealous. Definitely not in the same league as asking chatgpt to solve for you. Working with or seeking information from colleagues is a valid and essential part of university.

It is plagiarism, we’re not talking simple weekly assignment, it was a core course and it was a 40% of the module. They had to write a report along with it and two Chinese students had copied much of that from Wikipedia and had the same exact passages!

Ah I thought you meant stuff like " write a sorting algorithm given this function signature in C"

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by croes »

zamadatix wrote: post #471
croes wrote: post #100

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Calculators have a smaller CO2 foot print

It's an important discussion, as are many other tangents, but it's not really related to what the post was discussing as problematic.

Because the post missed the point.

It natural for humans to use tools to make tasks as easy as possible. Doesn’t mean the users are dumb or uneducated just lazy.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by florbo »

wvenable wrote: post #124
jayrot wrote: post #107

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I truly am hesitant to ever criticize someone else's parenting style since if I've learned anything, it's that kids personalities can be very different and circumstances are always more complicated than you might think. That said, I hear stories like yours (from friends) and it always baffles me because that's just now how our family operates. I have a downtime pin on devices for the same reason I lock the door to my…

He absolutely got into trouble for breaking past the downtime pin. Although, not in that much trouble because I was honestly a little impressed. Punishment and technological locks are both tools in the toolkit. Ultimately you want your children to find the right balance with technology and that's difficult because most parents struggle with that balance. The world has moved very quickly and it is very hard to keep up…

And it even drastically varies between children. My two kids' (6 and 4) interests are vastly different which makes balancing difficult. My oldest is thankfully starting to understand that the rules apply to them equally. Consistency goes a long way.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by nottorp »

redcobra762 wrote: post #143
nottorp wrote: post #4

Waiting for those people who post the "how do you use LLMS for X" questions on HN to come here and explain how this is a good thing.

Would you be upset if in the 70s you found out your sister was using a calculator to check her math homework?

For the record, I just asked a LLM for an answer I already knew in hope it gives me a link to the original documentation page.

Nope. It tried 5 times and failed.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by neuralRiot »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #447
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I'm rising 3 kids (in France, I don't know if it changes much). We have banned TV, very heavily restricted phones, and we closely follow homework. I'm persuaded it makes a difference wrt parents that don't do that, but somehow isn't a sure fire way of being a "great parent".

kids should be kids and do what other kids are doing, even if it's watching TV or playing video games, unless it’s something truly harmful. watching TV hasn't killed anyone and my generation, who grew up in front of the TV screen for lack of better alternatives, turned out just fine. The real issue now is with my parents’ generation, but that’s because they’re old and their mindset has become immutable, not because t…

>watching TV hasn't killed anyone and my generation, who grew up in front of the TV screen for lack of better alternatives, turned out just fine.

I don’t think any previous generation kids spend as much time in front of the TV as they do with the screens today, sadly the damage will only be seen when it is done. The difference is mainly the content, as bad as TV could have been in the past at least there was someone responsible and liable for the content put “on air” instead on the internet your child brain is at the mercy of the algorithm.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by s1artibartfast »

spwa4 wrote: post #212
pavel_lishin wrote: post #177

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The Chinese Room metaphor is also about consciousness , about thought in general.

The Chinese Room metaphor is yet another one of those arguments that fails to take into account that humans are a bag of functional proteins. There is no soul anywhere in the human body. In other words: it's an argument that would work perfectly fine to defend the idea that humans have no consciousness. Ergo it can only really prove that either humans have no consciousness/soul/... (whatever you name the magical huma…

That is a pretty simple grasp of the example. It doesn't claim that no system can have understanding or consciousness. It just demonstrates that performance alone is insufficient to conclude consciousness and understanding. A calculator or abacus can add 2 + 2 but instead self aware

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by nathanmills »

I don't see the issue here. The education system has always favored memorization over actual intelligence. I used to plagiarize and use calculators all the time and I turned out great. Plus, she's learning valuable research skills. In the "real world", it's all about knowing where to find the answer, not knowing the answer itself.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Post by throwaway314155 »

HaZeust wrote: post #363
throwaway314155 wrote: post #344

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Sounds highly unreliable to me. I would be very surprised if ChatGPT was ever confrontational enough to give out a lower grade like D or F. It also wouldn't surprise me if the grade-letter it chooses tends to be off by one or more grade-letters just due to natural variance/subjectivity of grading and hallucinations.

GPT is blunt, critical, and highly opinionated if you tell it to be. That's what I don't get about people on this forum. GENERATIONS of STEM professionals who have it engraved in their head that a computer will only do what you tell it to - and nothing more, and they still don't think to simply just tell GPT what lens they want it to view content in, or give it accurate and necessary directives. They think it'll hand…

> and they still don't think to simply just tell GPT what lens they want it to view content in, or give it accurate and necessary directives. They think it'll handle that for them. Why?

Projecting much? That doesn't describe me _at all_. I use ChatGPT and other LLM's frequently. I just legitimately don't think it would be good at the task of grading a paper with any sort of consistency. I don't even see why you would _need_ your paper graded for you to know it has flaws.

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