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Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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I'm certain it will make parts of the user experience worse, but at least for the Threads app, this seems at least a little necessary - if you're aiming to be the "new" twitter or whatever social need twitter was fulfilling, you need to break free of the shackles of IG/Meta moderation, which is very unforgiving and brutal in very subtle ways that aren't always easy to figure out. But basically, I find a platform like…

Me and my friend share a joke instagram account where we'll randomly make stupid posts just to entertain ourselves. One time he posted a picture of himself holding a chair, standing on one foot with a goofy smile on his face, captioned "I'll hit you with this chair! Just kidding!" It got the account suspended until we deleted the post, claiming the post, and I quote, "could encourage physical violence and lead to a r…

A cynic of the large social media platforms might suspect they were deliberately underinvesting in their moderation workforce... so they could then justify doing away with the cost as soon as politically convenient.

At its base, moderation = time = money

Better quality moderation? More money.

The platforms would rather not carry that cost and therefore be more profitable. Convenient how that worked out.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Community notes is maybe the only good thing to happen to the microstructure of social media in years so I'm vaguely in favour of this.

The official fact checking stuff is far too easily captured, it was like the old blue checks — a handy indicator of what the ancien regime types think.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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I think you misunderstand what Meta is doing here. They’re not stopping moderation of posts. Meta used to pay third party company fact checking companies to put disclaimers on “misinformation” posts on Facebook. They’re going to stop that now. They’re still going to continue their other more traditional moderation where you’ll be banned for making an obvious tongue in cheek joke or whatever.

Moving the moderation team from California to Texas is also noteworthy. Presumably because the political climate of California is so skewed from the rest of the country.

Probably much more to do with cost

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I once posted a picture of an email stating my train was delayed in French. So the word 'retard' appeared in it. Instagram banned me from monetization or partnerships or something on my account, because the word for delay in French is offensive in English.

Some time around 2011, the Apple App store was warning me about rude words in the app description; unfortunately it was warning me about the German word "Knopf" which isn't rude. I think what happened is the English rude word list was translated into German, rather than just replaced with local rude words.

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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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The discussion here is painful to read. The 'neutral' discussion of product features and how Austin, TX is more liberal than the rest of Texas are grotesque. Zuckerberg says Facebook is going to be more "like X" and "work with Trump". It has changed its content policy to allow discussions that should horrify anyone. "In a notable shift, the company now says it allows “allegations of mental illness or abnormality when…

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Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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Generally fb has trended to worse rather than better. I already passed my personal tipping point years ago and quit fb.

It is what it is. It's a hotspot for local politics, so quitting it isn't really an option for me.

All the burning man camps I get invited to are a bunch of Gen X-ers conferring on Facebook groups

so I wind up making a new Facebook account once a year for a few months

although could see this moving to Discord across those same age ranges, I’m in some local groups there which overlap with festivals/events/things like the burn.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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I'd like to hear an informed take from anybody who thinks that Facebook's fact-checkers were a better product feature than Community Notes. All of the articles I'm seeing about this online are ideological, but this feels like the kind of decision that should have been in the works for multiple quarters now, given how effective Notes have been, and how comically ineffective and off-putting fact-checkers have been. The…

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I "trust" Wikipedia more than I do fullfact and so on. They've all overplayed their hand.

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In Chinese there's a common word that sounds like a particularly offensive racial slur to the untrained American ear. I've seen Chinese speakers called out for this in person, but everything got straightened out pretty quickly. This was pre-social media, but it's not hard to imagine a social media uproar over it these days.

Enjoy the uproar then https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54107329.amp This prof lost a gig

To me it feels like society is finally moving on from this insane over emphasis on finding things to be offended by and identity culture bs. I’m really hoping it peaked in the lockdown when people really had nothing better to do.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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I'd like to hear an informed take from anybody who thinks that Facebook's fact-checkers were a better product feature than Community Notes. All of the articles I'm seeing about this online are ideological, but this feels like the kind of decision that should have been in the works for multiple quarters now, given how effective Notes have been, and how comically ineffective and off-putting fact-checkers have been. The…

Fact checkers are the technocratic solution, they're a panel of experts to Community Note's jury of our peers. Fact checkers are a much better product feature than community notes if we want a feature that best serves people who care about facts. That's not our world, though. People don't care about facts, we are humans, our lives are lived based on vibes. The average person would rather listen to their idiot friend'…

"People don't care about facts" is such an asinine reactionary way of thinking about macro dynamics in the world. It has no predictive power at all.

Re: Ending our third party fact-checking program and moving to Community Notes model

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I get how the partisan story is easy to tell here, but I'm saying something pretty specific: I think it would have been product development malpractice for this decision not to have been in the works for many, many months, long before the GOP takeover of the federal government was a safe bet. Community Notes has been that successful, and Facebook's fact-checkers have been that much of a product disaster. I've never s…

>I think it would have been product development malpractice the thing is both community notes and top down moderation, if they have any purpose at all, are product malpractice. If they work, they are always going to be intrusive because that's what they're supposed to do, correct factually wrong information. Community notes is the neighborhood police, top down moderation is the feds but if they do their job either on…

It seems pretty clear to me that one of these features generally makes users happy and, at the same time, does correct some misinformation, and the other catches about 0.0001% of the bad stuff and turns it into advertisements for how bad the site is.
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