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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #327
BunsanSpace wrote: post #301

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This is the crux of the issue honestly. Trudeau should have had the humility to read the writing on the wall in the fall, and stepped down so we could have a stable government to deal with the incoming US administration and give his party a fighting chance next election. He could have rested on his laurels knowing history would likely forget his shortcomings & scandals, and be remembered as the prime minister who got…

Neither Freeland nor Carney want to be the next Kim Campbell. The Liberals are going to lose the next election badly whether or not Trudeau is leading it. I'm sure that Trudeau made the decision to step down ~6 months ago and is now just playing with the timing to maximum effect. Stepping down now basically pushes the election three months further out than it would otherwise be due to a prorogation to pick a new lead…

Yeah my expectation is this next leadership campaign will be half-assed and "fought" by people who know they will never be PM. Instead they'll expect 4-5 years of PP and somewhere in the middle another leadership campaign that they'll then try to win.

I do think Freeland is too tainted by Trudeau now to be a success. Very intelligent woman, but I think her political career is ending. (I should check back on this comment in 5 years)

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

BunsanSpace wrote: post #301
mlekoszek wrote: post #23

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Generally, governments in Canada are voted out in roughly 9-year intervals. Trudeau took office in 2015, so nothing unusual there. Moreover, Trudeau is exiting with approval ratings just a percent below his predecessor, Stephen Harper (22% vs. 23%, respectively). So, in a wider sense, this is not so unusual. But we're facing a trade war with the States and less-than-joking threats of annexation, so it's a bad moment…

This is the crux of the issue honestly. Trudeau should have had the humility to read the writing on the wall in the fall, and stepped down so we could have a stable government to deal with the incoming US administration and give his party a fighting chance next election. He could have rested on his laurels knowing history would likely forget his shortcomings & scandals, and be remembered as the prime minister who got…

Trudeau should have resigned after getting a second minority government. I mean, actually he should not have run that election at all. But in general in our history, failure to get a majority can be forgiven once... but twice? The knives come out.

I'm amazed at the dominance he has over his party that has made it possible for him still to be hanging on. Even his resignation is slow motion.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by nick_ »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #716
nick_ wrote: post #476

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If only more people A) asked this question and B) looked into what was (not) happening. Basically Ottawa police were insubordinate, sided with the truckers/occupiers/protesters, etc. The populist conservative provincial government completely failed to act, likely due to the protestors being on "their side". > Ottawa was not being policed. Ticketing didn’t start for days. Tow-truck companies hesitated to move illegall…

> Basically Ottawa police were insubordinate, sided with the truckers/occupiers/protesters, etc Maybe the correct move was to resign if it got that bad.

The police chief? He did.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by pyuser583 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #888
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> I hesitate to call them protesters because I don't think they had a permit The notion that the common people need permission to protest is exactly why we are slowly, but surely arriving at oligarchies. The French are right. You don't need permission to show the ruling class who's king.

You don't need a permit to protest in Ottawa, on foot, unamplified in a location where you do not block others. You do need a permit to block the streets with your protest. Those are readily and regularly granted -- if the city didn't grant them the courts will force them to. Once you get that permit, you'll get a police escort to block the street for you.

I took part in one political protest in my life. The leaders spent most of their efforts screaming at us “stay out of the road and don’t block the sidewalk!”

We were encouraged to bring our kids, and criticized by the opposition for doing so. Our kids had a great time and learned the value political participation.

The protest was 100% successful at it achieving its one, narrow aim.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by pyuser583 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #272
morkalork wrote: post #254

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It's absolutely astounding that there have not been harsher consequences for the police who abandoned their duty in Ottawa. Where is the of rule of law here?

The Police Chief lost his job over it. What other consequences would you think appropriate?

Loss of support for elected officials?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by 3vidence »

betaby wrote: post #761
avgDev wrote: post #384

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I feel like this site has a bit of a bias when it comes to the USA. Most devs are highly compensated in the USA and can afford whatever. Being poor or sick sucks here.

> Being poor or sick sucks here. Can't say for the rest of Canada, but the healthcare is deplorable in Québec.

Don't worry it gets worse if you come to Ontario.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by 3vidence »

em-bee wrote: post #810
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Does this type of role have a term limit anywhere? e.g. US house speaker doesn't have a term limit.

you can't compare the US here. a prime minister is not just like a speaker of the house. in many countries world wide the prime minister takes on most of the responsibilities that in the US are fulfilled by the president. the prime minister effectively runs the country, while the president is just a figure head having mostly ceremonial duties. the role of the president in the US is different, and an exception to the…

The US president has way way way more power than the Prime Minister.

The prime minister is more or less a privileged PM.

He is not the head of the military, cannot create executive orders or anything of the like.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by danbolt »

joshlemer wrote: post #701
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Half of those issues are provincial. Canadian politics is the Spiderman meme with local, provincial and federal governments all pointing their fingers at each other. If healthcare in your province sucks blame your Premier.

It's more complicated than that. Technically healthcare is a provincial responsibility in the constitution but the feds bought their way into healthcare and regulate it through the Canada Health Act. The Feds cannot legally compel provinces to comply with the CHA but if they don't comply with it, they won't receive the federal health transfers which would essentially bankrupt the province. The province would still be…

> The parsimonious explanation is that there's a systematic issue in Canadian Healthcare as it's defined or operates across the country.

There is! It’s because healthcare is expensive and 20th century social democracy is out of fashion. Your premier can increase expenditures by improving healthcare infrastructure, or simply kick the can down the road for the next government to deal with. Many voters don’t like taxes or debt, so the latter is an easier sell.

Occasionally, the premier can roll a 20 on persuasion and suggest that it’s the Prime Minister’s problem too.

Now, the Prime Minister could look to changing the CHA and increasing services/taxes, but it’s probably too much of a can of worms to attempt to fix in our current political climate.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by tills13 »

loceng wrote: post #699
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Unemployment during his term besides covid was at record lows and still below the historic average of 7.5%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/808294/unemployment-rate...

He increased size of Federal government by 43% since 2015 - from Grok: "By March 31, 2024, the federal government's payroll included 367,772 employees, up from 257,034 in 2015." That's 110,738 new people on pay roll - but not that are actually productive for the economy, they are counted but are not the same as free market jobs - they're actually the opposite and a negative to the economy. This also doesn't account f…

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by philistine »

raydev wrote: post #780
selfmodruntime wrote: post #716

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> Basically Ottawa police were insubordinate, sided with the truckers/occupiers/protesters, etc Maybe the correct move was to resign if it got that bad.

I agree, the police should've resigned if they failed to do their job. Call in the military.

That's basically what happened.
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