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Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by gruez » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 9:43 PM UTC

TZubiri wrote: post #218

gruez wrote: post #150

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>You can definitely use your IP to take down scams. Key point being, that you have IP to use in the first place. But the parents' contention is that ChainPatrol and/or their clients don't have such IP, and are merely weaponizing the copyright/trademark takedown process to take down scams, which isn't the same thing.

My understanding is that arbitrum has an IP, but this video was not using their IP, that it was a false positive in terms of identifying the IP, in addition to a false positive of malicious intent. What you are saying is that these claims never relate to IP and it was only a false positive of malicious intent?

>What you are saying is that these claims never relate to IP and it was only a false positive of malicious intent?

I'm not sure how you got that impression. If you read my previous comment it's pretty clear I only objected on the basis they don't have relevant IP, not on the principle of being able to use IP to issue take down scams.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by infinitesoup » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 9:44 PM UTC

krisoft wrote: post #235

infinitesoup wrote: post #172

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Sounds like he got a copyright strike, which means a DMCA takedown, not a Content ID claim. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7002106

> not a Content ID claim. That is my understanding too. We do not have a disagreement on that. > he got a copyright strike, which means a DMCA takedown Here is where we disagree. A youtube copyright notice / copyright strike is not the same as a DMCA takedown. The DMCA takedown process as described in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Title II. Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act provides more r…

> A youtube copyright notice / copyright strike is not the same as a DMCA takedown.

Yes it is. YouTube doesn’t magically get to ignore the DMCA, so their process is built around that (along with layering Content ID on top to allow for a middle ground where videos can stay up but redirect some or all monetization to the copyright holder).

If you click through the link I posted above, you’ll get to this page which shows the complete process, including the counter-notification step: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13823830 Do you have reason to believe 3blue1brown can’t file a counter-notification in this case?

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by reverendsteveii » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 9:46 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #39

pseudosudoer wrote: post #10

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Every year it becomes clearer that Idiocracy was indeed a documentary.

I mean, we already have YouTube channels and tiktok content that are about the same as the TV show "ass" shown in the movie.

in May 2021 the number 1 clip on twitch was just someone's ass

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by buildsjets » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 9:52 PM UTC

Two4 wrote: post #250

malort wrote: post #230

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Including, unfortunately, this usage of "literally."

You're literally being a like, linguistic pervert rn

I read this in a Moon Unit Zappa voice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_Girl_(song)

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by reverendsteveii » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 9:53 PM UTC

mrayycombi wrote: post #198

jerf wrote: post #183

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This is where headcanon [1] can be a lot of fun. Just accept that they really did fight a war. It's not like it doesn't particularly fit the milieu... [1]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/words-were-watching...

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Imagination is an umbrella term that includes headcanon, but headcanon has a much more narrow and communicative meaning to do specifically with interpreting missing or ambiguous details in established fictional universes by fans or other people who aren't part of the creative team for that universe. Using the word that best fits the idea you're trying to communicate is good, actually. Also, while English does have real words what makes a word real is nothing more than whether when one English speaker uses is can they reasonably expect other English speakers to understand it. Given that everyone who read this thread had no problem understanding the word "headcanon" (including you, despite your protestations, as you were able to define a synonym) that means it's a Real English Word(tm)(c)(r).

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by reaperducer » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 9:58 PM UTC

soulofmischief wrote: post #224

mrayycombi wrote: post #198

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People can use whatever words they please. Never mistake yourself to be the arbiter of language, which is ever evolving.

Never mistake yourself to be the arbiter of language

Isn't that exactly what you just did?

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 10:04 PM UTC

mrayycombi wrote: post #198

jerf wrote: post #183

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This is where headcanon [1] can be a lot of fun. Just accept that they really did fight a war. It's not like it doesn't particularly fit the milieu... [1]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/words-were-watching...

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The only thing worse than being a pedantic asshole is being a wrong pedantic asshole.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 10:04 PM UTC

infinitesoup wrote: post #174

avianlyric wrote: post #76

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YouTube's copyright system has little to do with DMCA. Music right holders managed forced YouTube to implement a copyright claim system that explicitly didn't involve DMCA takedown requests. As a result any protection that DMCA provides to recipients of takedown requests don't apply to YouTube copyright claims. In effect, the YouTube copyright system is a purely "voluntary" system for taking down copyright content, t…

You’re conflating the two systems. YouTube does have the Content ID system, which does automatic detection and is mostly used to monetize (not take down) copyrighted content. But this case is a copyright strike, which means there was a DMCA takedown filed. The differences between these two systems are explained here: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7002106

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Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by mjburgess » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 10:04 PM UTC

krapp wrote: post #147

mjburgess wrote: post #143

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Unless the government deems youtube a provider of a neutral platform for user content -- as it does in section 230.

https://www.techdirt.com/2020/06/23/hello-youve-been-referre... Section 230 does not require that a plaform be neutral.

I think this misunderstands the sense in which 230 is at issue. It's not that 230 itself requires anything --- it's that its a law in place at the whim of lawmakers who granted it expecting a certain sort of behaviour. The relevant claim is, "if youtube doesn't behave more neutrally, expect one side of the political divide to elect people who will make it". This is how the intention of the law is currently read: that it will persist so long as platforms do, in effect, treat user content without editorial bias.

Perhaps my phrasing wasn't that clear. By "deem" I mean, unless the gov starts regulating youtube like a utility.

It seems fairly likely that this intention behind 230 will be codified soon, and an explicit notion of a "platform" (as in the DMA) will be introduced.

The idea that utilities, "platforms", and the like function in a way which requires 'equal treatment' is common across the law -- since they function much like states in the provision of universal services, or public spaces.

Thus the "well, actually!" objection to a narrow reading of the principle of free speech is really the one which misunderstand the principles at play and the evolving legal and social understanding of mass-participation online platforms.

Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation

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Post by n4r9 » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 10:05 PM UTC

mkl wrote: post #237

elromulous wrote: post #9

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Pizza Hut outside the US

Taco Bell in NZ. It was the first time I'd heard of it, though, and the movie is still probably the source of most of my knowledge of it.

There's at least 15 in London, UK.