I think a good baseline might be that you need to deposit say $1M and then when oops, you accidentally made a bogus claim it's OK that $1M is split between the victim of your oopsy and Youtube for their trouble - you just pay $1M to get back into the game. Outfits like this could explain to their investors that while their technology does sometimes have little goofs that cost a few billion dollars per year, once they…
> a good baseline might be that you need to deposit say $1M This is a license to rip off the copyrights of anyone without a million dollars in cash.
3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation
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Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
> a good baseline might be that you need to deposit say $1M This is a license to rip off the copyrights of anyone without a million dollars in cash.
I don't think so, since YouTube is operating their extrajudicial "go the extra mile for copyright holders" copyright claim system. It isn't required by law and this is what's being abused, not plain DMCA claims. For regular claimants, the regular (and free) DMCA system would still be in effect. The bonus is that filing fraudulent DMCA claims has real legal repercussions under the law. I don't know if there's any real…
Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation
#143Surely YouTube making a knowingly false allegation of tortfeasance against someone is libel. That should be actionable, possibly in a group action? Continued libel that inhibits the democratic exercise of free speech seems like something the government should act on?
> Surely YouTube making a knowingly false allegation of tortfeasance against someone is libel. It's hardly libel for YouTube to state that they've received a copyright claim, and taken the video down as a consequence. They're just stating facts, they're not making any assertions regarding the accuracy or correctness of the copyright claim, simply stating that it exists. > Continued libel that inhibits the democratic…
Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation
#144I think a good baseline might be that you need to deposit say $1M and then when oops, you accidentally made a bogus claim it's OK that $1M is split between the victim of your oopsy and Youtube for their trouble - you just pay $1M to get back into the game. Outfits like this could explain to their investors that while their technology does sometimes have little goofs that cost a few billion dollars per year, once they…
Wouldn't this mean that the only people able to make claims in the first place are people with $1M to spare? It might deter aggressive claims, but also prevent individuals from making claims on violations of their copyrights.
Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation
#145I noticed `ChainPatrol` has a Github: https://github.com/chainpatrol There's a `report abuse` button on the right of that page. I used it. (Category: Bullying and Harassment)
The bullying didn’t happen on GH, so I'm not sure this is a good strategy.
Taking down their github isn't even impactful, and forcing github to be a court is playing games instead of using real courts.
Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation
#146You have to think of YouTube and other platforms as a mechanism for distribution, not a source of truth. If you're a creator it's essential to have your own place on the web were you can host and publish anything without fear that it will be taken down for any reason — even accidentally. As it becomes cheap to automate both creating takedown requests and processing requests, the volume of spam requests is going to sk…
Replace publisher with newspaper, encyclopedias, etc...
They clearly have responsibility for the content they distribute.
Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Surely YouTube making a knowingly false allegation of tortfeasance against someone is libel. It's hardly libel for YouTube to state that they've received a copyright claim, and taken the video down as a consequence. They're just stating facts, they're not making any assertions regarding the accuracy or correctness of the copyright claim, simply stating that it exists. > Continued libel that inhibits the democratic…
Unless the government deems youtube a provider of a neutral platform for user content -- as it does in section 230.
Section 230 does not require that a plaform be neutral.
Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Contrary to this, I'd like to see 3blue1brown actually get two more strikes and get deleted per YouTube "3 strikes" policy. Imagine the furor and outrage of that. One of the most popular, meaningful, and impactful channels done in by YouTube's (and the DMCA's) ridiculous policy [1]. The public outcry from this might motivate real policy changes both within Google and other FANNG companies as well as with lawmakers. U…
I love 3blue1brown and have followed the channel for years. One of my absolute favorite content creators. But I think you're vastly overestimate how popular he is compared to other channels that have gotten copyright strikes, or how much YouTube/Google care. I also don't love YouTube's policy, but are you so confident there's a better policy out there?
Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation
#149can we start permanently banning companies that submit false-positive takedown requests? 3 strikes for them should result in not being able to submit any strikes anymore and all their content being removed if the content creator can get their channel removed, same thing must apply to the opposite side as well
Re: 3blue1brown YouTube Bitcoin video taken down as copyright violation
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
This seems like a huge abuse of the copyright system to me. It sounds to me like ChainPatrol doesn't actually have any IP to protect, but they are instead deputizing YouTube's copyright system to fight what they deem to be crypto scams. Absolutely wild if true.
You can definitely use your IP to take down scams. If someone is using your name or your company's name to scam people, it is in your interest to save your name and provide people assurance that they can do business with your name.
Key point being, that you have IP to use in the first place. But the parents' contention is that ChainPatrol and/or their clients don't have such IP, and are merely weaponizing the copyright/trademark takedown process to take down scams, which isn't the same thing.