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Post by lupusreal »

catgary wrote: post #107
kubb wrote: post #82

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I don’t follow Canadian politics, and I don’t know that much about Trudeau, but having the capital full of honking, mad truckers, holding the government hostage for their demands to be met in a time of crisis sounds like an absolute nightmare.

There had already been one standoff between local residents and truckers, I remember there being chatter that the next weekend groups were going to coordinate in their neighborhoods and drive out the convoy on their own (using baseball bats, cast iron skillets, or golf clubs if need be). The situation had the potential to turn into an absolute blood bath.

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Post by Marsymars »

orochimaaru wrote: post #525
agentultra wrote: post #345

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It's not a partisan issue. The Charter is pretty clear on the limitations placed on protests. If those truckers had dispersed within a day they would have been fine. But they were accepting donations and foreign money in order to stay encamped and had no intention of dispersing.

Then arrest them. Debanking should be illegal. It denies you the right to do anything in the current age.

Do you mean debanking by the government, or for any reasons?

(Because banks will already algorithmically drop you as a customer without explanation or recourse, akin to how you can get your Google account algorithimically banned. TBH it would be more of an inconvenience to have my Google account banned than one of my bank accounts.)

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

lbrito wrote: post #438
3vidence wrote: post #404

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I feel like its sentiment like this why the liberal party is heading for a historic collapse. "Everything is fine, just cancel disney+" Like young people are struggling... really badly and it seems like the government has done everything they can to make it worse. Most people I've met really don't Like Pierre Pollieve (myself included) but to say the current governments ineptness is propaganda is actually insane.

Well, that wasn't my comment at all. I was specifically stating that the "Canada is broken" rhetoric is largely propaganda. That is very different from saying "everything is fine".

To most people those are not really so different. For something to not be broken means that it's mostly fine, more in order than not.

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

amarka wrote: post #547
dfdx wrote: post #526

A friend of mine recently finished his engineering PhD at the University of Toronto. He received employment offers from an American firm and a Canadian firm. The Canadian firm offered a total compensation package worth 80,000 CAD (~55,000 USD); the American firm offered him nearly 275,000 USD.

I can’t believe Justin Trudeau would lowball your friend like that.

I hate the F Trudeau crowd almost as much as I hate Trudeau, but

Low compensation ranges here are in fact in part the fault of fed gov't policy. Industry freaked out about "labour shortage" and the government responded.

The database of LMIA (Labour Market Impact Assessment) applications is public. You can see for yourself how many thousands of software engineering jobs were filled this way. (Including by big "elite" tech companies like Apple, Google, Amazon, etc.) This was deliberate policy to bring in foreign talent from India, China, etc. in order to fill a "shortage" of us, which well, that shortage was less about "can't find someone" as "I can't find someone cheap enough."

In this case I don't actually blame Trudeau or the libs -- they're on the whole too stupid about our sector to understand that in fact these low compensation ranges harm our industry more than they help. I blame corporate interests who have the ear of the gov't and misled them into thinking that somehow this would make Canada "competitive" in information tech.

All it does is force good talent to leave the country, and encourage sweat shops to open up offering mediocre "IT" services.

We're subsidizing our own Canadian students to go through great schools like U Waterloo, etc. and then losing most of them the moment they graduate, as they go to the US on a TN1. And in exchange...

I've been in this industry long enough (25 years) to have seen things go up and down relative to the US a few times. This is the worst it's ever been. Especially because you can no longer make the argument that "I may get paid less but it costs less to live here" -- that ship sailed 10 years ago.

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Post by UncleOxidant »

sangnoir wrote: post #320
TriangleEdge wrote: post #262

I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

The USA is great when you're working age and are healthy. Outside the 18-65 age range, not so much. I hope Canada will not morph into USA-lite.

My grandparents emigrated from the US to Canada in the late 80s when they were in their 60s. One of their daughters had married a Canadian decades before and she sponsored them. They loved it. They felt like they got better care up there.

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Post by roncesvalles »

ciconia wrote: post #379

Is it just me or is the quality of politicians on a downward spiral? Between retirement-age out-of-touch boomers, clueless good-looking male liberals and corrupt authoritarian plutocrats, it sure feels like there's a shortage of honest hard-working people in leadership positions. I mean it is kinda obvious that the system in western democracies is structurally flawed such that there's a selection bias for crooks and…

I don't think so. I think that the archetype of what a politician should look like has broadened from a hypermasculine silver fox rich-grandpa type with a mid-Atlantic accent. Bill Clinton was the last one.

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Post by mellosouls »

avgDev wrote: post #384
TriangleEdge wrote: post #262

I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

I feel like this site has a bit of a bias when it comes to the USA. Most devs are highly compensated in the USA and can afford whatever. Being poor or sick sucks here.

Possibly it does have that bias (which is to be expected considering its origins and target audience), but I've generally found a good faith and generous reception to pro-EU arguments (in counter to pro-USA comments) here as well.

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Post by DwnVoteHoneyPot »

throw0101d wrote: post #492
DwnVoteHoneyPot wrote: post #413

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For the commenters that think this is hyperbole, here is my counter argument: Inflation is a generational issue because prices have gone up and has made all Canadians poorer and this won't be undone until we have deflation (via a recession? more pain) or until wages increase faster than inflation does. What are the chances we have deflation? Not likely when our Canadian Dollar is being devalued and Bank of Canada con…

> Inflation is a generational issue Inflation has been present in every country on the planet. It's not much different in Canada than elsewhere. There's a bit of a debate going on about how much carbon pricing ("tax") has effected food prices, with some claiming it has been a lot, but Canadian prices are about at the same (higher) level as the US and other places: * https://twitter.com/andrew_leach/status/18752276800…

Inflation would have been less if there was less immigration, less gov't spending, less tax... all of which Trudeau actively increased.

Consumption taxes, such as carbon taxes, are actually OK if you reduce the income taxes to offset. Consumption taxes can change behavior vs. a blanket income tax. (Inexplicably, he reduced GST (another consumption tax)... so he's not thinking deeply about tax theory or anything at all really)

Trudeau planned to continue to increase carbon taxes by 200% higher than they are today. Also compare gasoline prices from the US to Canada.

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Post by yibg »

TriangleEdge wrote: post #262

I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

I'm a Canadian living in the US as well. I definitely make more and am able to save more here. I have better job opportunities and also more interesting work. Where I am the weather is also much better. If money wasn't an issue I'd move back to Canada in an instant (but maybe my view of Canada is outdated, been away for > 10 years). Why?

- Lower wealth inequality

- Safer, with lower crime rates, especially violent crime

- Higher life expectancy

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Post by bko »

throaway89 wrote: post #569
nostromo wrote: post #457

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Most of Canada is pretty poor now. From the Economist: https://archive.is/UdixF/ec46ebf7fe812cd5e9432f45f68bd142e6c... Their housing is more expensive than the US, but taxes are higher and wages are lower. If Canada’s provinces were states, the populated ones would be poorer than the poorest US states, along with higher taxes and expensive housing. https://brilliantmaps.com/us-vs-canada-gdp-per-capita/ British Columb…

The social services are better in Canada though. The big downside is the lack of quickly available treatment for serious-but-not-life-threatening illness.

It doesn’t help if you can’t afford a house. If you just look at a simple crude statistic like gdp per capital US is 83% higher. You can’t make stuff appear out of thin air, there’s less resources to go around and people are objectively worse off
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