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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by dagmx »

TriangleEdge wrote: post #262

I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

I will state the opposite and say that my quality of life has dramatically improved after moving from the US to Canada.

It is much more accessible, much easier to get about, far less hostile and any loss in wealth is offset by actually being able to enjoy my time more.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by throw0101d »

DwnVoteHoneyPot wrote: post #413
0xbadc0de5 wrote: post #115

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For the commenters that think this is hyperbole, here is my counter argument: Inflation is a generational issue because prices have gone up and has made all Canadians poorer and this won't be undone until we have deflation (via a recession? more pain) or until wages increase faster than inflation does. What are the chances we have deflation? Not likely when our Canadian Dollar is being devalued and Bank of Canada con…

> Inflation is a generational issue

Inflation has been present in every country on the planet. It's not much different in Canada than elsewhere.

There's a bit of a debate going on about how much carbon pricing ("tax") has effected food prices, with some claiming it has been a lot, but Canadian prices are about at the same (higher) level as the US and other places:

* https://twitter.com/andrew_leach/status/1875227680045723973

On the issue of housing, there is a decent argument that immigration numbers were too high for too long and that drove up demand:

* https://mikepmoffatt.medium.com/ontarians-on-the-move-2021-e...

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by segasaturn »

ungreased0675 wrote: post #290
mass_and_energy wrote: post #75

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YSK that the people who had their accounts frozen weren't simply protesting in Ottawa; they were blocking international borders to our largest trading partner, effectively holding our economy hostage. This absolutely constitutes behavior that's a danger to our nation so it makes sense to freeze the accounts of the people doing it. To be clear, there were many attempts to settle this without freezing people's bank acc…

That logic seems like it would outlaw labor strikes too, especially in important industries. Sometimes, holding the economy hostage is the point. I take exception to the framing of “attempts to settle this.” The government used violence and threat of violence to make the problem go away. There wasn’t an attempt at compromise. Do what I say or else isn’t an attempt to settle.

The recent postal strikes in Canada are an example of the situation you're describing. Eventually the federal government had to step in and break the strike to get the mail system moving again - if the workers refused to comply, against the orders of the government, I actually think strong measures like the freezing of bank accounts would be warranted and supported by most Canadians.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by tonymet »

dagmx wrote: post #491
TriangleEdge wrote: post #262

I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

I will state the opposite and say that my quality of life has dramatically improved after moving from the US to Canada. It is much more accessible, much easier to get about, far less hostile and any loss in wealth is offset by actually being able to enjoy my time more.

can i ask what you do?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by labster »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #351
parthdesai wrote: post #298

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A liberal protesting organization would have used bicycles and would thus have been legal.

Not if the squeezed their bike horns and rang their bells at all hours of the night, and threatened the locals.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by PessimalDecimal »

busterarm wrote: post #446
DwnVoteHoneyPot wrote: post #413

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For the commenters that think this is hyperbole, here is my counter argument: Inflation is a generational issue because prices have gone up and has made all Canadians poorer and this won't be undone until we have deflation (via a recession? more pain) or until wages increase faster than inflation does. What are the chances we have deflation? Not likely when our Canadian Dollar is being devalued and Bank of Canada con…

> All foreign investment has dried up. This can't be emphasized enough. Canada has the highest household debt in the G7. There are no viable customers. The only hope that you really have is something you're already doing -- mass immigration -- with all of the tradeoffs that come with it. Canada has to make a _fundamental_ change to get out of its current situation.

How is mass immigration going to help Canada stem inflation? It seems to be making that (and many other things, like crime) worse.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by FredPret »

I-M-S wrote: post #433
FredPret wrote: post #119

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First past the post is awesome. I moved from a proportional-representation country to a FPTP one (Canada) and it's so much better to have a specific individual who is my MP. Back where I was born, there's a grey and anonymous party list of people selected by extremely dubious internal party political means. I never felt the slightest bit represented; and the political process was completely opaque. Now I have a dude…

I moved from a PR country to a FPTP one (Canada) and my experience is exactly the opposite - as a left-leaning individual in a conservative ward, there's no way for my vote to ever count. But yeah, now my interests are directly ignored by a dude with a newsletter, an email address, and an office.

The idea is that you would now engage with your dude and your fellow citizens in that conservative riding and be a moderating influence.

You are all in the same boat in a sense that’s more local and less abstract than with proportional rep.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by err4nt »

Mistletoe wrote: post #440
99_00 wrote: post #412

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Canada has no term limit. Leaders stay on until they have lost the support of their party. Often that happens after a devastating election loss. In this case it is happening because of his extreme unpopularity before the election and his parties hope of improving their election prospects under a different leader

Have they ever thought of implementing a term limit? I’m confused why they think that is not necessary.

Elections have a deadline after which a new election can be called, but there's no number of terms served that then stops a re-elected leader from taking office if they win another election. It's not the case that people can just stay in office without holding elections forever.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

mardifoufs wrote: post #142
catgary wrote: post #93

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I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

Crazy how only Canada has used emergency powers to curtail opposition. In fact it did that twice in 50 years. And only twenty people getting their rights completely stripped because they bothered the federal government workers in Ottawa is good enough according to you? Maybe it's just because I'm part of a minority but your entire comment is exactly the issue with Canadian politics. We basically have 0 rights the mom…

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by bryanlarsen »

ygjb wrote: post #455
BunsanSpace wrote: post #301

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This is the crux of the issue honestly. Trudeau should have had the humility to read the writing on the wall in the fall, and stepped down so we could have a stable government to deal with the incoming US administration and give his party a fighting chance next election. He could have rested on his laurels knowing history would likely forget his shortcomings & scandals, and be remembered as the prime minister who got…

Here's the primary problem with your argument: the current front-runner to win the next election is the Conservative Party of Canada, with Pierre Poilievre as leader, and pretty much a shoo-in for the next Prime Minister. Poilievre is a career politician who's only professional experience has been as a politician, has no work history to speak of (don't take my word for it, his wikipedia entry details only a job as a…

> Trudeau's greatest mistake was not implementing the electoral change he campaigned on

Agreed. In an over-simplification,

- first past the post is the best for the Conservatives. (It was best for the Liberals before the Reform & Conservatives merged).

- single transferable is the best for the Liberals

- mixed-member proportional is the best for the NDP

Trudeau thought the electoral commission would give him the STV he wanted, but it was going to deliver MMP that would pretty much guarantee that he would have to coalition with the NDP. So he nixed it. He ended up with an NDP coalition anyways, so he didn't gain anything through the nixing. Instead FPTP is going to result in a Conservative landslide in 2025.

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