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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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What makes you think that? They don’t seem very similar to me aside from sharing the broad label of ‘conservative’.

And love of simplistic slogans. Whether there's more substance to Pierre Poilievre than to Donald Trump remains to be seen.

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While I agree with patio11's assessment here, if you were to poll the average Ottawan about the trucker protest, you'll largely get back a response of "#&$! those people", soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them. Canadian politics (not uniquely here) is plagued with petty squabbles. The really meaningful political and social issues don't get any airtime.

> minorly-inconvenienced 120dB train horns at 2AM in the morning in a residential area is not a minor inconvenience.

> a residential area

Have you ever actually been to downtown Ottawa, where those protests were held?

It's not "a residential area" in any sense.

The moderately-wide Ottawa River forms the north-west edge of the downtown area.

Along it are the Alexandra Bridge, Major's Hill Park, the Rideau Canal, Parliament Hill, the Supreme Court, Library and Archives Canada, and other government-related buildings and infrastructure. Those aren't residential.

Immediately south-east of those is Wellington Street, where those protests were held, literally right in front of Parliament Hill. It's about as close as they could physically get to the Parliament Buildings.

South-west of that, there are numerous government office buildings, commercial office buildings, small shops, restaurants, a few hotels, and so on for a number of blocks. Again, those aren't residential.

Also keep in mind that the government-imposed lockdowns and other restrictions being protested were preventing or severely limiting the use of the offices, hotels, restaurants, and other businesses in the area.

You have to go out about 1 km from Parliament Hill before you even begin to start encountering any significant number of apartment buildings and residences.

Downtown Ottawa is not "a residential area", and those protesters were in the most relevant, appropriate, and reasonable place they could have been to protest policies imposed by the Government of Canada.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

What was your path of immigration into the US as a Canadian? Any tips or advice?

If you're posting on Hacker News, you probably have a skill set that'll allow you to get a job covered by a TN.

You go to border control, tell them you're applying for a TN, hand them a copy of your identification, resume, credentials, and offer letter. Then you wait for a couple of hours while they process you, and you're set for the next few years. Rinse and repeat until your job sponsors you for an H1-B or you marry an American citizen and can apply for a Green Card.

Of course, there's other ways - talk to an immigration lawyer - but that's the simplest.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Can you name a similarly wealthy country that is actually better today than it was on the date he started as a PM? I can't. Seems like something else has been going on. Potentially you could name Ireland, by becoming a tax haven, screwing over everyone else instead.

America is, especially since 2021 but nobody wants to believe it.

Wrong date. He was PM 2015.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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The problem with Trudeau's government is he didn't/doesn't consult with provinces very much. They continue to announce programs and initiatives that live in the territory of the provinces without provincial buy in. If it was one or two provinces you would be correct, but when every province is facing the same issue(s), then the turd starts to stick to the feds... The immigration issue is a prime example, he announced…

It seems like every other week I hear a news article about a joint announcement between BC & the federal government having to do with housing or health care. It takes 2 to co-operate.

Go listen to the statements the PMs made after their all provinces meetings. A lot of it is "back off from our turf".

Previous govts had a minister who's only job was managing provincial-federal relations and making sure the feds and libs moved in sync

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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> minorly-inconvenienced 120dB train horns at 2AM in the morning in a residential area is not a minor inconvenience.

> a residential area Have you ever actually been to downtown Ottawa, where those protests were held? It's not "a residential area" in any sense. The moderately-wide Ottawa River forms the north-west edge of the downtown area. Along it are the Alexandra Bridge, Major's Hill Park, the Rideau Canal, Parliament Hill, the Supreme Court, Library and Archives Canada, and other government-related buildings and infrastructure…

I know several people who live in those "non-residential" areas you describe.

For example, https://www.google.com/maps/place/9+Rideau+St,+Ottawa,+ON+K1... is a condo building.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Nothing will change because no Canadian government will lower house prices and that's what absolutely needs to happen.

2024 was a banner year for voting against the incumbent governments worldwide. Globally we have a cost-of-living crisis, a housing affordability crisis and a years-long decrease in the standard-of-living. Generally speaking, each country has 3 forces that are in play:

1. Progressives;

2. Neoliberals / centrists; and

3. Outright fascists.

The French election was a prime example of how this plyas out. Macron, a centrist, very much sided with the fascists rather than the progressives, such as who he picked to be Prime Minister after the snap election he called.

Some say the UK is an outlier with Labor winning a massive victory. It is not. The former Labor leader, Jeremy Corbyn, was weakened by a divided electorate so he could be character-assassinated in a coordinated campaign alleging anti-semitism to be replaced by a neoliberal centrist (Keir Starmer). Starmer actually got significantly fewer votes than Corbyn did in his two elections. All that happened was the right-wing vote got split between Conservatives and Reform.

The US election played out similarly. Despite evidence of Biden's cognitive decline being apparent as early as of Spring 2021, he ran for reelection and was supported by the Democratic establishment right up until a disastrous debate performance made clear his position was untenable. Nancy Pelosi reportedly wanted an open primary at the convention. Instead Kamala Harris was anointed as the Democratic establishment feared a progressive candidate would win a primary.

So we got a Wall Street approved centrist neoliberal platform that disrupted nothing and gave absolutely nothing to working people and had a policy platform on many issues (eg the death penalty, Israel-Palestine, immigration, deregulation) with almost no daylight between it and the Trump platform.

Unsurprisingly that platform lost, badly. Predictably.

The point here is that in every election, neoliberals are way more comfortable with (and will side with) fascists than leftists or pgoressives.

Voters, eager for change, will choose populism because they aren't being offered any alternative. But nobody wants to address the root causes here: housing unaffordability and massive wealthy inequality.

Too many people are invested in their house as an investment, as their nest-egg. House prices absolutely have to come down and nobody wants to hear that. Canada is a real estate bubble, just like pretty much every other Western nation.

People will cling to their house prices as society crumbles around them.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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I have migrated from Canada to the USA and my metrics for wealth, ease of mind, actually working while at work, outgoingness, etc instantly improved. I don't plan on ever going back. I feel chagrin at seeing Canada fail. I'm glad to see Justin Trudeau pressured out, I know there won't be meaningful change associated with the decision, but I have hope.

The USA is great when you're working age and are healthy. Outside the 18-65 age range, not so much. I hope Canada will not morph into USA-lite.

I think 26-45 might be the more realistic ideal range. Even then, if you have chronic health problems, godspeed.

There's certainly more wealth available if you have the means to get it though.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Are you talking about the militant separatists who had already committed mailbombings and escalated to assasinating a government official and kidnapping a foreign diplomat on Canadian soil in 1970? It’s also important to note that afterwards Quebec separatism continued to be a legitimate political movement without a terrorist wing, with parties represented in federal and provincial governments.

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You think the US has not been doing exactly the same thing? What do you think the patriot act was? There are a million examples of this.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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FPTP has many many flaws, one being that it trends towards a defacto 2-party system due to strategic voting, especially if only one spectrum is divided (i.e. liberal/ndp, or alliance/progressive conservatives back a few decades ago). The Anonymous Party list, and opaque process are not inherent factors on any of the replacements for FPTP, in fact the only one WITH the list was supposed to be an open list, and that wa…

Ranked/alternate voting and STV shouldn't be lumped into the same bucket. Ranked voting is a majoritarian variant of FPTP that doesn't fix many of the flaws of FPTP. There is still the flaw of "favourite betrayal" that induces a need to vote "strategically". Single Transferable Vote involves ranking candidates but is a Proportional System.

Alterate ranked voting somewhat addresses the idea of needing to strategically vote (favorite betrayal) in favour of your ideal candidate, but only to a degree depending on the parties and initial polling support (a runaway party you don't like will still lead to strategically voting for the party most likely to beat them). Its proportional in that the winners have to get at the most amount of votes across the ranks after eliminations, i.e. you can't win if no one picks you as second/third option, so you have to be picked by someone therefore you are considered to be representing them.

STV does a much better job of it and is why I was strongly in support of STV over AR/MMP or other options.

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