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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by bryanlarsen »

srid wrote: post #206
bryanlarsen wrote: post #179

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Canada is definitely worse than it was ten years ago, but all of the major problems are provincial responsibilities: housing, health care, education, policing. The largely conservative provinces have done a very good job of blaming Trudeau and immigration for problems that are entirely their own.

Out of curiosity, how is the housing & health care situation in those conservative provinces compared to other provinces (like Quebec, where I live in)?

It's instructive to compare Vancouver to Toronto. 10 years ago in BC health care was in worse shape and housing was ~2X the cost of Toronto. In the past 10 years BC has had an NDP government and Ontario a Conservative one. Both housing & health care have gotten worse in BC, but at a much lower rate than in Ontario. Today health care in BC is in much better shape than Ontario, and the cost of housing in Vancouver is about the same as it is in Toronto.

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Post by soupbowl »

squigz wrote: post #202
jyscao wrote: post #114

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One could endlessly go on about the economy/COL, immigration, crumbling healthcare, housing crisis, far-left ideology going mainstream, etc. But I could frame it much simpler than that - Canada, at least in cities of modest sizes and up, is rapidly transitioning from a high-trust to a low-trust society. An anecdote: my sister is more than 10 years younger than me, she's currently attending the same university as I di…

> economy, healthcare costs, housing crisis, and... far left ideology One of these things is not like the others. Could you elaborate on how 'far left ideology' relates to the others in terms of the supposed fall of our country?

Maybe he means the extreme levels of immigration that have tossed fuel on the housing and healthcare crisis?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by catgary »

mardifoufs wrote: post #142
catgary wrote: post #93

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I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

Crazy how only Canada has used emergency powers to curtail opposition. In fact it did that twice in 50 years. And only twenty people getting their rights completely stripped because they bothered the federal government workers in Ottawa is good enough according to you? Maybe it's just because I'm part of a minority but your entire comment is exactly the issue with Canadian politics. We basically have 0 rights the mom…

Are you talking about the militant separatists who had already committed mailbombings and escalated to assasinating a government official and kidnapping a foreign diplomat on Canadian soil in 1970?

It’s also important to note that afterwards Quebec separatism continued to be a legitimate political movement without a terrorist wing, with parties represented in federal and provincial governments.

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

dralley wrote: post #76
TaurenHunter wrote: post #42

For liberals to give up power in both Canada and US so hurriedly, there must something really bad brewing that they don't want to be blamed for.

Trudeau has been unpopular for years and hideously unpopular for the past couple of months, mostly as a result of the current state of things being bad (and as they've been in power for nearly 10 years, they already cop the blame for that), not hypothetical future bad things. No need to get conspiratorial.

I don’t know if it is about blame for the other side, but I can see Trudeau being a scapegoat for all of Canada’s problems. I DO think he is responsible for a lot of Canada’s problems in the cultural side, especially as it affects politics. But the laws and realities of governing the country are also the fault of legislators who in turn are voted in by people. So to me what I view this as, is people rejecting the current highly progressive order of things in Canada but also the left leaning side of Canada’s politics ejecting Trudeau as a way to not bring blame onto the rest of the party and its politicians.

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Post by jamie_ca »

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

Offtopic to politics, but browsers these days support arbitrary text anchors.

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your link: https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/debanking-and-debunki...

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by glitchc »

dylan604 wrote: post #66
mlekoszek wrote: post #23

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Generally, governments in Canada are voted out in roughly 9-year intervals. Trudeau took office in 2015, so nothing unusual there. Moreover, Trudeau is exiting with approval ratings just a percent below his predecessor, Stephen Harper (22% vs. 23%, respectively). So, in a wider sense, this is not so unusual. But we're facing a trade war with the States and less-than-joking threats of annexation, so it's a bad moment…

> less-than-joking threats of annexation This is an interesting statement in that, sadly, the person making the threats is not joking yet to those that have not drunk the kool-aid it is an utter joke of a concept.

The President is technically the commander-in-chief of the armed forces in the US. His opinion carries weight, fortunately or unfortunately.

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Post by papercrane »

srid wrote: post #208
papercrane wrote: post #84

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> The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD. The CAD is sitting at about $0.70 USD right now, which isn't really outside of it's typical range, and not really unexpected given the difference in interest rate now between Canadian & US interest rates. If you look at historical prices it looks more like business-as-usual, the CAD usually bounces between 0.70-0.80 USD.

CAD was actually on parity with USD between 2007-2012.

Yes, but that was a very unusual time and can be attributed to the US financial crisis. In addition to money fleeing the US, the Canadian and US interest rates diverged to strengthen the Canadian dollar.

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Post by hmmm-i-wonder »

FredPret wrote: post #176
hmmm-i-wonder wrote: post #157

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FPTP has many many flaws, one being that it trends towards a defacto 2-party system due to strategic voting, especially if only one spectrum is divided (i.e. liberal/ndp, or alliance/progressive conservatives back a few decades ago). The Anonymous Party list, and opaque process are not inherent factors on any of the replacements for FPTP, in fact the only one WITH the list was supposed to be an open list, and that wa…

What’s wrong with two parties? Countries with multiple small parties frequently seem to collapse into political torpor where nothing ever changes.

There is no way 2 parties can represent the diversity of opinions and ideas in the country.

2 parties means power tends to jump back and forth due to the recent ruling party doing badly vs the opposition actually providing an alternative and compelling change. This means parties tend to "lose" more than actually "win" elections.

2 dominant parties when one side of the spectrum is split among 2-3 parties tends to allow a smaller minority to achieve stronger governments which is not representative. I.E the split on the right in the 90's allowed the Liberals to have many successive majority governments despite less than 50% of support for many of those elections. In the aughts the alliance and PC merger turned that around and now the NDP and Liberals tend to split the left to a degree and the right can win a strong majority with 35-38% of the actual vote. This doesn't benefit any side long term.

"getting things done" isn't always the best metric for a political party, especially when they don't have the public support for their changes.

STV or various other methods that allow proportional results while maintaining current representation and government size were the best outcome, but didn't benefit the liberals so they dropped it.

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