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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by jyscao » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:55 PM UTC

cassepipe wrote: post #108

jyscao wrote: post #36

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> instead you've just handed us to the conservatives I agree that the conservatives are not a good choice, but apparently for the opposite reason as you - the conservatives are unlikely to be able to fix much of the damage Trudeau has inflicted on the country, especially w.r.t. unfettered immigration. The PPC is the only one with any sensible policies IMO, but unfortunately they won't be competitive in the upcoming n…

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You're welcome. And thanks for offering your unasked for and useless input.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by renewiltord » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:56 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #47

thesh4d0w wrote: post #16

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We have two left parties that votes are split across, and a single right party. This means the conservative party often ends up getting more power since they're "first past the post" even though the majority of the population may not agree with them.

So? "The rules need to be changed because the wrong people keep winning" sounds very suspicious to me. If the situation is as you describe, what really needs to change is that the two left parties need to merge, or one of them needs to become such a marginal player that it doesn't matter. If the leaders of those parties can't or won't do that, well, then you get the situation that you have.

Some believe that it’s better if representative democracies represent their constituents. Newer voting technology that permits a greater alignment of representative distribution with voter distribution is preferable to those people.

Personally, I find it galling that the massive Californian population of Republicans and Texan population of Democrats frequently go unrepresented.

You seem to believe in the primacy of FPTP voting in itself. That’s the difference.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by gpm » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:56 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #70

redeux wrote: post #59

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I haven’t been following the news recently. What is the talk of annexation? First I’ve heard of it.

Trump I feel like a single word should explain it, but I know HN abhors single word responses. Trump has threatened tariffs and has mentioned annexing Canada. He's also mentioned buying Greenland, trading Puerto Rico for Greenland, and a bunch of other notions.

Taking back the Panama Canal comes to mind.

It seems to me that he really wants to do some empire building, but hasn't figured out a way that people would actually accept (and isn't interested in the modern version of treaty based "empires").

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by brailsafe » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:56 PM UTC

aqme28 wrote: post #80

jyscao wrote: post #3

Should've done it weeks ago. Utterly shameless.

I'm out of the loop. What happened weeks ago to spur this? The linked article isn't particularly helpful.

Well, he's not had the best holiday season, lots of turmoil in his cabinet and parliament has been completely stalled.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by FredPret » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:56 PM UTC

Mistletoe wrote: post #81

TaurenHunter wrote: post #42

For liberals to give up power in both Canada and US so hurriedly, there must something really bad brewing that they don't want to be blamed for.

The entire market is due for major correction. I’m delighted I get to blame it on conservatives when it happens. It was probably inevitable, no matter what party is in power. That’s just how it is when you get two standard deviations away from the mean. https://www.currentmarketvaluation.com/models/s&p500-mean-re...

You think the market is going to collapse but you're happy about it because it'll be bad for the conservatives?

You might want to rethink a few things.

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Post by kubb » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:59 PM UTC

catgary wrote: post #107

kubb wrote: post #82

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I don’t follow Canadian politics, and I don’t know that much about Trudeau, but having the capital full of honking, mad truckers, holding the government hostage for their demands to be met in a time of crisis sounds like an absolute nightmare.

There had already been one standoff between local residents and truckers, I remember there being chatter that the next weekend groups were going to coordinate in their neighborhoods and drive out the convoy on their own (using baseball bats, cast iron skillets, or golf clubs if need be). The situation had the potential to turn into an absolute blood bath.

In the US some psychopath straight up shot and killed a climate activist who was in the way of his car. It’s a miracle something similar didn’t happen there.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by catgary » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:59 PM UTC

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by FredPret » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 4:59 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #99

throw10920 wrote: post #78

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Is this where the meme about Canadians being very polite comes from - a tendency towards pettiness rather than really nasty political rifts? (I don't know anything about Canadian culture)

Spend 5 minutes in Toronto Union Station during commuter hours and you'll never describe Canadians as polite again.

That's the very worst point of view you'll ever get of Canadians. Of course people in a busy train station during rush hour aren't in the best mood.

Travel the country up and down, big cities and small towns, and I guarantee you will conclude that Canadians are the best people around.

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Post by dralley » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 5:00 PM UTC

nindalf wrote: post #25

renewiltord wrote: post #11

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BC perplexingly chose otherwise. People always seem to hate this. Even here in California, we’re lucky to be able to rank everyone in SF but few other cities can. And every election, there’s a lot of “IRV is ruining this city” when candidates with fewer first choice votes win.

Alaska got Ranked Choice Voting and after every election cycle where a Democrat wins they're up in arms about how it's bad. This time the repeal effort got within a whisker of succeeding, while the Democrat (Mary Peltola) lost her congressional seat. RCV encourages moderation, meaning candidates like Peltola and Senator Murkowski (R) win statewide office. This distresses people who feel like such moderates are very f…

Ranked choice isn't the only alternative voting system that encourages moderation. Approval voting is vastly simpler to understand and implement and also accomplishes many of the same benefits.

Simplicity is an underrated value when it comes to elections. People are more likely to trust that which they can easily understand. And ranked choice, fairly or not tends to cause a lot of confusion.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by fullshark » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 5:00 PM UTC

TaurenHunter wrote: post #42

For liberals to give up power in both Canada and US so hurriedly, there must something really bad brewing that they don't want to be blamed for.

It's that they were the party for the COVID money pump hangover / inflation. The conservatives lost power in the UK for the same reason.