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In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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> I know a good salesman when I see one. I was, briefly, the No. 1 telemarketer in the United States. Oh neat, how? > Unlike many of my less successful colleagues, I quickly learned to take yes for an answer; though we were legally required to read a long list of mandatory disclosures to all our sales, I noticed that this often broke the spell and gave people an opening to back out or “wait and ask the wife about it.…

This is not... good sales. This is making the numbers. The customers acquired with this method are not good customers.

To future salespeople in here: please work on selecting customers carefully, and pitch only to great two-way fits. That way, both customer and your organisation will thrive.

I get that the salesperson is judged by volume closed, but this gives the rest of the organisation churn problems to deal with.

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"Behind every great fortune lies a great crime"

In this case it is more like “Behind every mediocre fortune is a pretty lame crime.” Like it isn’t even a cool crime, like doing a heist or something. It’s just tricking confused people by not letting them know about the fine print.

Yep, fraud is pretty lame…

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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> I know a good salesman when I see one. I was, briefly, the No. 1 telemarketer in the United States. Oh neat, how? > Unlike many of my less successful colleagues, I quickly learned to take yes for an answer; though we were legally required to read a long list of mandatory disclosures to all our sales, I noticed that this often broke the spell and gave people an opening to back out or “wait and ask the wife about it.…

Reminds me of the guys in The Big Short who don’t realize they’re fiddling while Rome is about to burn.

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That's the difference between being a great salesman and having great sales. Any idiot can sell something that's in demand. It takes a genius to sell something that nobody wants. It's better to be the idiot.

> It takes a genius to sell something that nobody wants. Or just a regular crook.

Not just any crook. A great crook.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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I found this to be relatively cynical. Not every type of salesperson is like the types explored in this article.

When I was in sales we were taught to disqualify prospects, precisely because we had to find those 5-10% for whom we could resolve business pain or provide value.

Most businesses don’t benefit from signing up customers bound to be unhappy. It costs money to sell to them in the first place. Typically your ideal customer profile (ICP) is going to be someone who is going to love your product and have a lot of money to spend on it with the need to buy a lot of it. We wouldn’t waste precious time trying to scam people who weren’t that.

So really I felt this article was mostly talking about the author’s lived experience of sleazy sales: telemarketers and panhandlers and inmates.

I think some of that philosophical exploration was extended much too far into societal changes like going from an agrarian to an industrial society.

The author seems to consider the role of sales to be like the great scam of modern society.

But the reality is, products that salespeople were selling like the cotton gin or the steam engine were absolutely things that buyers wanted and benefited from.

Another example was a friend of mine who worked for Apple retail. For some people retail is soul crushing, and you’d be correct to point out that many people are completely insufferable to deal with.

But the story I got from them was that, for the most part, selling at Apple (especially 10 years ago when their products were arguably more exciting) involved a lot of time spent with customers who were having a whole lot of fun buying stuff for themselves.

If only the author got to witness an elite salesperson selling things that people really like.

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Americans surely do love to make things illegal.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent... Three felonies a day for everyone. More if you use a computer. It's kind of amazing how no one seems to care that the only reason why they aren't in prison currently is that no one's bothered to arrest them yet.

52 bucks for the paperback! That price is a felony!

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The message seems to be: sales is a soul-sucking job, a demoralizing exercise on psychopathic exploitation in which making people feel something (be it good or not) is the way into their wallets.

The message is also that consumerism is driven by demand creation - and that demand creation takes its toll on both the demander and the buyer.

The greatest minds of our generation are hard at work creating algorithms to give kids eating disorders, making the next iPhone 3mm thinner, and figuring out how to make a TV dinner that contains no actual food.

Our modern world is so incredible. I wish we could do some good things.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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This was the most interesting part IMO. There is definitively some truth to it:

“In ways large and small, we live in a world shaped by telemarketing. When’s the last time you answered a call from an unknown number? How many tweets do you encounter without bots in the replies? Have you seen how many spam emails your parents receive? I chuckle to think how mad people used to get when we called during dinner—when do you have privacy now? Even your sleep app is hawking your data to companies trying to sell you melatonin gummies. Are these intrusions any less intrusive because they’re silent?

Worse yet, decades of wage stagnation and the emergence of the gig economy have generalized the anxiety and pressure that used to be the exclusive domain of sales sweatshops; now we’re all pitching all the time, unironically using phrases like “building my personal brand,” indefatigably selling versions of ourselves via social media posts that fool no one, soliciting eyeballs, donations, subscriptions, views and clicks, for our Twitch streams, OnlyFans, Substacks, stand-up shows, GoFundMes, podcasts, NFTs, sending emails to our agent like, “Another piece in Slate, hmm, wonder if there’s a book in this one?” Manufactured precarity and the Hobbesian competition of all against all, combined with the public insistence on moral rectitude, have us all scrambling for grievances so we can justify doing what we must—even presidents and billionaires insist they are victims now. We’re all trapped in the back-office cubicle pod, our desperation rebranded as hustle, bitter entrepreneurs of abjection competing for the same dwindling pool of broke rubes.”

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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That's fine, when and where that's legal. Eg even the US has no laws against insider trading in commodities. Similarly, French insider trading laws work on rather different principles than US ones. So it's hard to attach much moral significance to the legal accident of insider trading laws in one place and one time. (And arguably, laws banning insider trading are bad for the general public, because to the extent they…

True, but they also make it hard for a cynical exec to game the system, for instance by shorting the stock and then tanking the company on purpose.

This is exactly what the laws around fiduciary duty "really" cover. I say "really" because the term is often invoked to justify/excuse scummy behavior from executives, arguing that they're legally obligated to behave that way because of fiduciary duty. In reality it just means you must act in the interests of the company, largely to prevent this exact sort of scenario (or an exec just being butthurt or whatever).
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