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In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by eru »

creer wrote: post #87
bee_rider wrote: post #62

> I know a good salesman when I see one. I was, briefly, the No. 1 telemarketer in the United States. Oh neat, how? > Unlike many of my less successful colleagues, I quickly learned to take yes for an answer; though we were legally required to read a long list of mandatory disclosures to all our sales, I noticed that this often broke the spell and gave people an opening to back out or “wait and ask the wife about it.…

It's amazing how often "illegally" is the American Way. I only wish it were a joke.

Americans surely do love to make things illegal.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by eru »

yareally wrote: post #84
getnormality wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... the thing that made him America's top telemarketer was... illegally omitting the disclosures... which everyone was doing... but also, it made him uniquely successful because many of his colleagues didn't do it? I'm getting the strangest feeling that maybe this guy isn't done peddling bullshit?

It's kind of like claiming you're the world's best trader, but all your winnings come from insider trading.

That's fine, when and where that's legal.

Eg even the US has no laws against insider trading in commodities. Similarly, French insider trading laws work on rather different principles than US ones. So it's hard to attach much moral significance to the legal accident of insider trading laws in one place and one time.

(And arguably, laws banning insider trading are bad for the general public, because to the extent they are respected and enforced, they keep information out of market prices.)

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by eru »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #82
getnormality wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... the thing that made him America's top telemarketer was... illegally omitting the disclosures... which everyone was doing... but also, it made him uniquely successful because many of his colleagues didn't do it? I'm getting the strangest feeling that maybe this guy isn't done peddling bullshit?

> So... the thing that made him America's top telemarketer was... illegally omitting the disclosures... which everyone was doing... but also, it made him uniquely successful because many of his colleagues didn't do it? And Uber is a taxi company that doesn't own taxis, AirBnB is a hotel chain that owns no hotels. Find a hyper-successful company or person, and start digging. The secret 99/100 times is crime (or incred…

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Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by FredPret »

eru wrote: post #92
yareally wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's kind of like claiming you're the world's best trader, but all your winnings come from insider trading.

That's fine, when and where that's legal. Eg even the US has no laws against insider trading in commodities. Similarly, French insider trading laws work on rather different principles than US ones. So it's hard to attach much moral significance to the legal accident of insider trading laws in one place and one time. (And arguably, laws banning insider trading are bad for the general public, because to the extent they…

True, but they also make it hard for a cynical exec to game the system, for instance by shorting the stock and then tanking the company on purpose.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by j45 »

wraptile wrote: post #77
bee_rider wrote: post #62

> I know a good salesman when I see one. I was, briefly, the No. 1 telemarketer in the United States. Oh neat, how? > Unlike many of my less successful colleagues, I quickly learned to take yes for an answer; though we were legally required to read a long list of mandatory disclosures to all our sales, I noticed that this often broke the spell and gave people an opening to back out or “wait and ask the wife about it.…

This is why sales is such a difficult medium to respect even if it's clearly a craft. There's a dance but no music.

It's less about sales being a difficult medium to respect.

There might be more about the people and the behaviour they are choosing. Like anything it has to be managed, because it's only a sale when the customer is satisfied to retain the sale, let alone renew.

Getting good at helping qualified leads can be just fine.

If inbound is garbage, it invites less than ideal behaviour.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by margalabargala »

eru wrote: post #93
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So... the thing that made him America's top telemarketer was... illegally omitting the disclosures... which everyone was doing... but also, it made him uniquely successful because many of his colleagues didn't do it? And Uber is a taxi company that doesn't own taxis, AirBnB is a hotel chain that owns no hotels. Find a hyper-successful company or person, and start digging. The secret 99/100 times is crime (or incred…

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Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by douglee650 »

bee_rider wrote: post #62

> I know a good salesman when I see one. I was, briefly, the No. 1 telemarketer in the United States. Oh neat, how? > Unlike many of my less successful colleagues, I quickly learned to take yes for an answer; though we were legally required to read a long list of mandatory disclosures to all our sales, I noticed that this often broke the spell and gave people an opening to back out or “wait and ask the wife about it.…

A great mentor once taught me, "when you hear a yes, immediately agree and stop selling." Usually this means stop talking.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by notcrazylol »

My father has a business that sells physical products. We had a salesman that was soo good, that customers used to call us asking us to take back our product because they actually had no use for it. They bought it because he convinced them that it was good for them. The salesman passed away long back. Rest in peace.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by douglee650 »

creer wrote: post #87
bee_rider wrote: post #62

> I know a good salesman when I see one. I was, briefly, the No. 1 telemarketer in the United States. Oh neat, how? > Unlike many of my less successful colleagues, I quickly learned to take yes for an answer; though we were legally required to read a long list of mandatory disclosures to all our sales, I noticed that this often broke the spell and gave people an opening to back out or “wait and ask the wife about it.…

It's amazing how often "illegally" is the American Way. I only wish it were a joke.

"Behind every great fortune lies a great crime"

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by llm_trw »

eru wrote: post #91
creer wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing how often "illegally" is the American Way. I only wish it were a joke.

Americans surely do love to make things illegal.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent...

Three felonies a day for everyone. More if you use a computer.

It's kind of amazing how no one seems to care that the only reason why they aren't in prison currently is that no one's bothered to arrest them yet.

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