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With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Post by joshmarinacci »

chis wrote: post #20

What is going to happen with this? It’s pretty unimaginable that Windows would drop support for 30% of PCs or whatever, exposing them all to viruses. It seems like everyone will be forced to switch to Linux or something. Obviously I’m not going to upgrade my perfectly good CPU to make windows happy.

How would everyone be forced to switch to another OS? These machines won’t suddenly refuse to boot.

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Post by thisrod »

booi wrote: post #6
DanAtC wrote: post #4

IoT LTSC is supported until 2032

I don’t think you can run the IoT version for general purpose use. Also if you’re using windows on an IoT device…

Also if you’re using windows on an IoT device…

Microsoft is using IoT in a loose sense. The "thing" could be an industrial PC at the train station that plays a recorded message saying the 8:15 will run late today.

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Post by terribleperson »

I have, unfortunately, upgraded to Windows 11. As far as I can tell, it's Windows 10 but worse in a number of ways. It sucks. My first several hours with Windows 11, I was constantly sending a friend things that had changed for the worse.

I don't think there are any user-facing improvements that Windows 11 brings, which really isn't a surprise.

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Post by layer8 »

chis wrote: post #20

What is going to happen with this? It’s pretty unimaginable that Windows would drop support for 30% of PCs or whatever, exposing them all to viruses. It seems like everyone will be forced to switch to Linux or something. Obviously I’m not going to upgrade my perfectly good CPU to make windows happy.

There will be paid security updates from Microsoft [0], 0patch [1] (if you trust them), the LTSC version (which however takes you back to 21H2), and lastly you can still take your chances with just Windows Defender signature updates. I know a couple of people who still run Windows 7, including a security researcher (and not for research purposes), which still receives Microsoft Defender signature updates.

[0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/extended...

[1] https://blog.0patch.com/2024/06/long-live-windows-10-with-0p...

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Post by NBJack »

gorjusborg wrote: post #17

Anyone else here holding out? I am a hold out on upgrading, but mostly because of what I gather Microsoft's vision of the future of computing. They took a page out of Apple's notebook, the one where the user doesn't know what they want, the company does. Apparently we want: - A requirement of a non-local Microsoft account to install or use it, with no opt-out - An AI subsystem that tracks everything we do on the mach…

Let's not forget regressions in gaming performance. This is my number one issue, and the devices I do have Windows 11 on arent changing my mind, and I suspect this holds true for many others out there.

Why upgrade if I just get downgraded?

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Post by NBJack »

skirmish wrote: post #19
gorjusborg wrote: post #17

Anyone else here holding out? I am a hold out on upgrading, but mostly because of what I gather Microsoft's vision of the future of computing. They took a page out of Apple's notebook, the one where the user doesn't know what they want, the company does. Apparently we want: - A requirement of a non-local Microsoft account to install or use it, with no opt-out - An AI subsystem that tracks everything we do on the mach…

I worked around several of those pain points: - A requirement of a non-local Microsoft account to install or use it, with no opt-out With some effort, you can use local account: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-set-windows-11-without-mi... - Ads in our face - A worse start menu - A worse taskbar Fix Explorer with Explorer Patcher: https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher . It was unusable otherwise for me.

> With some effort, you can use local account

For now. Microsoft has been trying to close that for a while, and I suspect the only thing keeping some of it alive is the stark security requirements some of their corporate/business customers mandate.

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Post by layer8 »

Dembrush wrote: post #23

I know Rufus allows you to bypass certain requirements like Secure Boot and TPM 2.0, does anyone know if it can cause issues?

So far it doesn’t. But Windows 11 24H2 now requires support for the POPCNT instruction and otherwise won’t boot, which excludes some older CPUs. Conceivably future Windows 11 updates will add further hard requirements like that.

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Post by NBJack »

It's a sad state of bad features, unwanted behavior, reduced functionality, and regular regressions in behavior/performance. Honestly, it's an embarrassing situation for them that shows how much they've lost whatever way they had left.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-windows-11-24h2-bug-list-1...

And let's not forget the biggest layoffs in 2022 were on the QA teams. It shows.

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