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With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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I don’t think you can run the IoT version for general purpose use. Also if you’re using windows on an IoT device…

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-enterprise... Enterprise IoT is "binary equivalent" to Enterprise.

> Note: Microsoft does not publish feature updates through Windows Update for devices running Windows IoT Enterprise LTSC.

This sounds like a strict upgrade to consumer-grade windows...

How does an enterprising user get a legal hold on one of those licenses?

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Of course, most Windows 10 PCs don't have the newer hardware to upgrade to Windows 11. They are stuck at 10 and when support runs out it will run out.

Doesn't seem to be the case anymore: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42369757

That article was incorrect when written and has since been retracted. The link now takes you to a rewrite that reaffirms Microsoft's commitment to TPM v2 and that reports Microsoft's current position that they reserve the right to break your computer if you install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware.

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-enterprise... Enterprise IoT is "binary equivalent" to Enterprise.

> Note: Microsoft does not publish feature updates through Windows Update for devices running Windows IoT Enterprise LTSC. This sounds like a strict upgrade to consumer-grade windows... How does an enterprising user get a legal hold on one of those licenses?

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Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-enterprise... Enterprise IoT is "binary equivalent" to Enterprise.

> Note: Microsoft does not publish feature updates through Windows Update for devices running Windows IoT Enterprise LTSC. This sounds like a strict upgrade to consumer-grade windows... How does an enterprising user get a legal hold on one of those licenses?

It is possible to change your Windows edition using open-source tools:

https://massgrave.dev/change_windows_edition

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Note: Microsoft does not publish feature updates through Windows Update for devices running Windows IoT Enterprise LTSC. This sounds like a strict upgrade to consumer-grade windows... How does an enterprising user get a legal hold on one of those licenses?

It is possible to change your Windows edition using open-source tools: https://massgrave.dev/change_windows_edition

Should link this article instead https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Anyone else here holding out?

I am a hold out on upgrading, but mostly because of what I gather Microsoft's vision of the future of computing.

They took a page out of Apple's notebook, the one where the user doesn't know what they want, the company does.

Apparently we want:

  - A requirement of a non-local Microsoft account to install or use it, with no opt-out
  - An AI subsystem that tracks everything we do on the machine
  - Requirement to upgrade hardware to install the OS
  - Ads in our face
  - A worse start menu
  - A worse taskbar
  - Dark patterns to get us to accept it all
I just want to buy an operating system for my hardware, not have Microsoft claim said hardware as their property. I'm the landlord, not the OS developer.

I'll be using Windows 10 until I can't any longer for things that require Windows. For everything else, Linux.

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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I've got one machine and a VM on Windows 11, but I use Windows 10 on my primary gaming laptop and work laptop. People always ask me why I'm still on Windows 10. Obviously there's nothing I can do about the enterprise version installed on my work laptop, so let's just focus on the gaming one. It's got an i7-11800H, RTX 3080, 64GB of RAM, and a Samsung 990 PRO nvme drive. When I bought it, it came installed with Windows 11. Even with the proclaimed performance enhancements of Windows 11, this laptop seemed quite slow for the specs it was sporting. I decided to revert back to Windows 10 and all of a sudden we're flying. I've tried on one other occasion to upgrade with Windows 11, but the performance just does not match up. I don't understand the problem, but it's the primary reason for keeping me on the platform. The other reasons for staying on Windows 10 are: no ads, less telemetry (although I disable this with Windows de-bloater and O&O shut-up anyway), and more intuitive interface. I hate having to customize the shit out of Windows 11 to get the experience that was out of the box on Windows 10; things like start menu placement, context menu behavior, taskbar settings, notifications, etc.

I wish I could switch over to Linux, I truly do, but it's still not ready. I recently tried out Linux Mint and immediately ran into an issue with my mouse wheel + back/forward buttons not working. Off to search for the solution and the level of effort to get it working right seemed in line with operations tasks I have to deal with at my FAANG job. I don't have the time, energy, nor patience for this bullshit just to get my mouse working properly. Imagine the hoops I'll have to jump through for all my games to work right. Also when I raise grievances like this with the Linux crowd, I either get the "try this distro" (which has its own problems) or some snarky answer. So yeah, we're not there yet.

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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Anyone else here holding out? I am a hold out on upgrading, but mostly because of what I gather Microsoft's vision of the future of computing. They took a page out of Apple's notebook, the one where the user doesn't know what they want, the company does. Apparently we want: - A requirement of a non-local Microsoft account to install or use it, with no opt-out - An AI subsystem that tracks everything we do on the mach…

I worked around several of those pain points:

  - A requirement of a non-local Microsoft account to install or use it, with no opt-out
With some effort, you can use local account: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-set-windows-11-without-mi...

  - Ads in our face
  - A worse start menu
  - A worse taskbar
Fix Explorer with Explorer Patcher: https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher . It was unusable otherwise for me.

Re: With 10 months of support remaining, Windows 10 still dominates

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What is going to happen with this? It’s pretty unimaginable that Windows would drop support for 30% of PCs or whatever, exposing them all to viruses.

It seems like everyone will be forced to switch to Linux or something. Obviously I’m not going to upgrade my perfectly good CPU to make windows happy.

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