Here’s to the PHP Misfits • Hacker News Board

Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits

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Post by astrodust » Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 6:05 PM UTC

debacle wrote: post #22

webjunkie wrote: post #21

"Everything in the box is kind of weird and quirky, but maybe not enough to make it completely worthless. And there’s no clear problem with the set as a whole; it still has all the tools. Now imagine you meet millions of carpenters using this toolbox who tell you “well hey what’s the problem with these tools? They’re all I’ve ever used and they work fine!” And the carpenters show you the houses they’ve built, where e…

> where every room is a pentagon and the roof is upside-down. And you knock on the front door and it just collapses inwards and they all yell at you for breaking their door. " That's a straw man. There are thousands of sites out there, running on PHP, that are incredibly well-engineered.

The problem is there are millions of PHP sites out there.

Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits

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Post by astrodust » Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 6:08 PM UTC

stevencorona wrote: post #26

jiggy2011 wrote: post #8

Another "Look I can build websites with PHP!" post. The biggest draw of PHP seems to be that there is a large quantity of (often bad) copy paste-able code out there on the internet.

Agree. PHP is the only language where one looks for "snippets" instead of libraries. It's gross.

PHP programmers are the hunter-gatherers of the technical world.

Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits

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Post by 4qbomb » Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 6:35 PM UTC

RageKit wrote: post #6

mildweed wrote: post #4

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The advantage is that this guy, who otherwise wouldn't have been able to accomplish his goals, did. He did because PHP was accessible. And till other languages are as dead-simple to accomplish small-to-medium tasks, PHP will continue to have fans such as the OP.

imho ruby is simpler than php.

Says the guy that only knows ruby.

Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits

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Post by derpmeister » Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 6:55 PM UTC

melvinmt wrote: post #37

derpmeister wrote: post #30

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No it's still up, guess Cloudflare decided to stop serving pages at one point :/.

You should consider switching to a better host. There is no excuse for this:

wget -4 output: http://scrp.at/bAD

wget -6 output: http://scrp.at/bAE

As an IPv6 advocate on the side, I'm disappointed by this.

Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits

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Post by melvinmt » Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 7:21 PM UTC

derpmeister wrote: post #44

melvinmt wrote: post #37

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No it's still up, guess Cloudflare decided to stop serving pages at one point :/.

You should consider switching to a better host. There is no excuse for this: wget -4 output: http://scrp.at/bAD wget -6 output: http://scrp.at/bAE As an IPv6 advocate on the side, I'm disappointed by this.

Ah thanks for letting me know, fixed it in the settings, let me know if it works now.

Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits

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Post by derpmeister » Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 8:37 PM UTC

melvinmt wrote: post #45

derpmeister wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should consider switching to a better host. There is no excuse for this: wget -4 output: http://scrp.at/bAD wget -6 output: http://scrp.at/bAE As an IPv6 advocate on the side, I'm disappointed by this.

Ah thanks for letting me know, fixed it in the settings, let me know if it works now.

How long should it take?

Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits

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Post by RageKit » Sun, Jul 22, 2012, 9:00 PM UTC

4qbomb wrote: post #43

RageKit wrote: post #6

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imho ruby is simpler than php.

Says the guy that only knows ruby.

Nope, i've done more php than ruby in my life, ad hominem is irrelevant you know ?

Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits

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Post by RageKit » Sun, Jul 22, 2012, 9:01 PM UTC

JOfferijns wrote: post #11

RageKit wrote: post #6

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imho ruby is simpler than php.

Accessible != Simple

Well, php is more accessible than ruby. I don't care about the language war, i use whatever gets the things done

Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits

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Post by pbiggar » Tue, Jul 24, 2012, 7:18 AM UTC

joesb wrote: post #39

pbiggar wrote: post #27

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No, but you can just run `rails new` and `git push heroku`, which is about as easy as using shared hosting.

Shared hosting is all over the world, most of them provide PHP+20GB for 1/10 the cost of heroku+5MB.

Sure, but we aren't comparising pricing - we're looking at how easy it is to get started. You can go pretty far with Heroku free plans.

Re: Here’s to the PHP Misfits

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Post by knieveltech » Sun, Jul 29, 2012, 5:02 AM UTC

jiggy2011 wrote: post #33

knieveltech wrote: post #20

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The biggest draws for PHP: - a wide selection of well documented frameworks to choose from - a wide selection of robust CMS's to choose from - a variety of CRM's to choose from - runs on a bog-standard web server (apache, IIS) right out of the box

It doesn't run "out of the box" you still need to install mod_php (although ubuntu/debian makes this pretty easy). I'd be hesitant to call a CMS or CRM built on something that doesn't understand utf8 "robust". There's plenty of great , well documented framework available for Java & Python too.

#1: fair, but when was the last time you had to install mod_php outside of a local development environment? Ever come across commodity hosting that didn't have apache + mod_php?

#2: also fair, however Wordpress and Drupal are by far the most popular open source CMS's on the planet, despite this apparent handicap. If # of websites is your metric, what would be the closest competitor written in another language? Plone?

#3: also fair, no rebuttal.