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Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15

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Re: Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15

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I agree with you 100. I think Apple is doing a couple things fora couple different reasons (all of which I bother me) yet some worse than others It's because it's a Triple (or more) Monetary Win Business Strategy. I'll explain. Has anyone noticed how Apple keeps telling you your storage is "almost full" then wants you to upgrade to ICloud+? Because After selling that expensive phone they don't want to wai to squeeze more money out of you. They set ALZl defaults to open and upload to iCloud, so if you don't change them you are Icloudkng EVERTHING. Which fills up. Plus certain things you can't NOT iCloud bc you don't have a choice. What takes the MOST space and is most important to most people? Photos/Vi. So -) they auto default to upload/iCloud all plus your photos. Then tell you you are out of space and ask you to purchase more and more storage for cost each month from $1-$10.

But - ever tried to DOswLOAD your photos back to phone, and downgrade your storage? You can't. I'm almost impossible. The various instructions online don't work. You can do it with dedktop or laptop but even then they will try to reload and further even THEN there are ALZl kinds of bugs and glitches to getting photos back locally only.

So first part - they set all to upload and make local only imposssible and downgrading storage impossible. I had to take screenshots and file fraud claims to get them to downgrade m and stop charging me 9.99 and 1.99 each month.

But even then. I'm pretty sure they ARE keeping all those photos we supposedly download back OFF iCloud and don't want their storage for AND of course everyone else photos and videos--Why? Second part of strategy (my opinion) - bc they are using ALL our collective photos and videos to Train Large AI models and computers and to run simulations, to prepare for future robots that are more like like, etc. yes U sound a bit conspiracy theorish - but it IS what they are doing! Plus aggregating all the data itself within our devices in photos/videos and other meta data - they can also run that through and sell it, store, make profiles on us, profilers on regions and correlations, etc - all of which is sellable now to various companies AND will be sellable in new ways in the future. So they benefit triple on us. I think there should be federal laws saying -1) All settings must be defaulted to highest privacy (ie closed) and 2) requiring Intentional option in, 3) Plain explanations of what "features and settings do, or how could be used, with clear warnings and subject to Lawsuits for fraudulent inducement and invasion of privacy if those descriptions are understandable by an ordinary reasonable person - NOT an ordinary TECHNICAL engineer. If they can't explain what it does to an ordinary person, it probably is doing stuff that ordinary person WOULD not consent to. And 4 and 5) of new federal laws I wish there - 4) they can't reset or change your privacy settings to make them MORE open after each update, and again req opt-in not opt-out, 5) anyone who does Opt-In - should get metrics of all data disclosed - with a price per amount and data type - PAID back to them. So for example - there should some Global Standards of Data Types - Levels - some more valuable than Others. EXAMPLE/Hypo If it collect "100MBs/amount" of Valuable Level 1 Data, which is Valuaed at $.005/MB then it owes you 100x.005= 5cents. And so on. There should be classifications of data, with Intl standards on the Value of that DATA, and if you did OPT-IN, you get an accounting each month of what data and how much of it did THEY collect, and theyOWE you for collecting it. Bc let's face it - how are they building the powerful computers and AI things they will trillions on? It's on us. Our data. How are making billions in sass and sales- on us, our data.

As it stands NOW they ought to pay us even for data we don't opt-in to but try to Opt out of and can't!! And for all past data they've collected. And for my own time, and everyone else's time - Each month when a new update comes out - THAT EACH TIME resets all those settings I spent hours to reset back to close - and to research those hundreds of "Feature Flags" to find out which are good, which probably are NOT good and which Are in between or who know so roll the dice either way.

I set all settings to closed bc they auto default to everything open, everything sharing, Bluetooth on, public WiFi on, etc everything "uploading" to iCloud. It takes me HOURs. The Accessibility commands and options alone take me an hour to reset. Yet - even when it's turned off - sometimes my phone turns back on something even without updates bc of bugs of hidden features Apple isn't disclosing. Yet after each update all those settings I spent hours on on phones and Mac and iPad, etc- they default BACK to open. And I spend hours again. And it's taking longer each time, and updates while good for other things- for this it sucks, and updates are WAY more frequent. Makes me crazy. I'm not a hacker or a tech like y'all probably are. So I apologize for my long rant by a novice such as myself. I'm just a normal person who likes to read and research and teach myself things so even though I'm not technical I doread a lot and so I'm not an idiot either. I've been a Mac user for over 20 years. Use to an @mac, then @me, and of course now @icl - things starting really going to shit and having sync/corruption issues and bugs, etc in 2019, got way worse in 2021, and now it's all the time. It's so frustrating though bc everything - is Mac-it's the invested infrastructure of our lives - to use an analogy: it's like Apple/Icloud is a Hotel California. It's used to be a nice hotel though. Now it's a Zombie Apocalypse Hotel California. But there aren't any other "hotels" out there that are any better either I'm afraid.

Re: Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15

#982
post #943

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> Citation needed. The best one I remember is this one: https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/929-On... > As the latest news suggests the opposite. What news?

They don't work on the CSAM. They are a cloud provider who makes CSAM reports. The only thing I see that is wrong in what they claimed is this: > The problem is that you don't know which pictures will be sent to Apple. Apple said in their paper that they don't send anything that is flagged. When the cloud sync occurs the files that are flagged get reviewed. All other files remain encrypted. > What news? https://www.n…

> They don't work on the CSAM. They are a cloud provider who makes CSAM reports.

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If you sort NCMEC's list of reporting providers by the number of submissions in 2020, then I come in at #40 out of 168. For 2019, I'm #31 out of 148

I repeatedly begged NCMEC for a hash set so I could try to automate detection. Eventually (about a year later) they provided me with about 20,000 MD5 hashes that match known CP. In addition, I had about 3 million SHA1 and MD5 hashes from other law enforcement sources.

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Somehow this isn't "working with CSAM or CSAM databases", oh well.

> Apple said in their paper that they don't send anything that is flagged.

This is literally addressed in the article you pretend you read.

> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/08/technology/apple-child-se...

I don't have access to this article. How does it show that people working with CSAM say Apple's implementation is a good idea?

Re: Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15

#984
post #629

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This mindset is how we got those awful cookie banners. Even more dialogs that most users will blindly tap "Allow" to will not fix the problem. Society has collectively decided (spiritually) that it is ok signing over data access rights to third parties. Adding friction to this punishes 98% of people in service of the 2% who aren't going to use these services anyway. Sure, a more educated populous might tip the scales…

I think society has collectively "decided" in the same way they "decided" smoking in a restaurant is great. There's little to no conscious choice in this. But there is a lot of money in this. Like... a LOT of money. If I were to try to influence society to be okay with it, it would be a no brainer. So, to me, it's obvious that society has been brainwashed and propagandized to accept it. But doing so generates hundred…

The connection with smoking is real here indeed: https://energycommerce.house.gov/sites/democrats.energycomme...

Re: Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15

#985

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Maybe your threat model can tolerate an "oopsie woopsie". Politically exposed persons probably cannot.

If you don't personally write the software stack on your devices, at some point you have to trust a third party.

I would trust a company more if their random features sending data are opt-in.

A non-advertized feature, which is not independently verified, which about image contents? I would be prefer independent verification of their claims.

Re: Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15

#986

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There is also no guarantee that Apple isn't lying about everything. They could just have the OS batch uploads until a later point e.g. when the phone checks for updates. The point is that this is all about risk mitigation not elimination.

> There is also no guarantee that Apple isn't lying about everything. Other than their entire reputation

A reputation has to be earned again and again.

Re: Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15

#987

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> I have concerns about how women would be affected by law enforcement who might use the location data to target abortions. What? How?

police using photos/location to figure out that a woman from Texas went to an address associated with an abortion clinic, and wow Texas has bounties, noooo potential for abuse there. you've really been shilling apple and even obnoxiously giving multiple replies to the same comment, what's your problem?

> police using photos/location to figure out that a woman from Texas

How would they access that information? Under this feature, no location information for the user would be held by Apple's servers. Plus, Apple would have to divulge it somehow to law enforcement, which they don't do as a matter of course until compelled by a court. Courts have a high bar for accessing that information.

Even so, having compelled Apple, they cannot give up what they do not have.

> you've really been shilling apple

I am not "shilling" for Apple, I am commenting about a technology Apple has adopted and which I have decided to trust.

> giving multiple replies to the same comment

Sometimes I prefer to break my replies up so they are easier to consume. I don't agree with the premise that this is obnoxious and so far none of my counterparties has complained. Why are you complaining?

> what's your problem?

What's your problem?

Re: Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15

#988

Is this just a smokescreen around slowly sneaking CSAM scanning back in after the pushback last time? The "default on" behavior is suspect. [1] https://www.wired.com/story/apple-photo-scanning-csam-commun...

Exactly like how Microsoft "backed off" Recall. Uuuuuntil they shoved it back in and made it undeleteable.

By removing it from the market, making enormous technical tweaks based on user feedback, and then putting it back on the market.

Re: Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15

#989
post #292

What I want is very simple: I want software that doesn't send anything to the Internet without some explicit intent first . All of that work to try to make this feature plausibly private is cool engineering work, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with implementing a feature like this, but it should absolutely be opt-in. Trust in software will continue to erode until software stops treating end users and their data…

IMO, there should be 3 categories of users, and they can choose a system wide setting that applies across all their apps and settings:

* Bulletproof

* Privacy Conscious

* Normal (recommended)

That way users are roughly opting in and opting out in a way that aligns with their desires

Re: Apple Photos phones home on iOS 18 and macOS 15

#990
post #823
post #743

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It’s odd that you think the people implementing the banners want them so they can get more data. They want them because they provide a shield from litigation. I don’t know about you, but in the past year, most of my ads on Facebook are from law firms with headlines like “have you browsed (insert random minor e-commerce site) in the past two years? Your data may have been shared. You may be entitled to compensation.”…

> If I’m a random mom and pop e-commerce site and I do not add a cookie banner, and I use any form of advertising at all, then I am opening myself up to a very expensive lawsuit Nope, that's not how it works. But your whole comment is a great showcase about how these myths continue to persist, even though the whole internet is out there filled with knowledge you could slurp up at a moments notice.

Your comment would be better if you cited any evidence. Otherwise, I could also point you to a whole internet which is, as I said, full of law firm ads fishing for plaintiffs who have only been 'harmed' in the most strained definition of the word.
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