Mozilla is like that ADHD child that will do anything except to work on what made company successful in the first place - browser.
Orbit by Mozilla
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#252Mozilla is like that ADHD child that will do anything except to work on what made company successful in the first place - browser.
This move makes sense for Firefox adoption, as Chrome has AI features built in now such as Lens
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#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Maybe we shouldn't be too critical of Mozilla for providing a privacy-first LLM service - for free. The other big privacy-first LLM provider is Apple, which requires users to have their devices/subscriptions to use, and definitely uses advanced telemetry by default. There is a very fundamental critique here: a service being offered for free like this is being subsidized, messing with the general market dynamics tha…
Fair enough. However, first of all, it's still in beta. They’re likely using it to gather feedback on its performance. Also, there’s nothing on the site that says it will remain free. Considering Mozilla has introduced paid services like VPN, and given the cost of running LLMs, it’s unlikely it will stay free. Also consider that some free use, for example 5 summaries per hour or whatever, is a pretty basic offer for…
Offering beta services for free is industry standard and legit, as are free capped tiers, I do not see an issue there.
Honestly, I'm all on board for a privacy-minded company like Mozilla to offer paid services like VPN or email aliases. They have earned their trust, and if paying means contributing to the sustainability of their mission and the open internet, than that's even sweeter.
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#254Interesting product, very relevant in our time and age.
My guess is this could be useful to many "knowledge workers" who constantly have to crawl, translate and find the meaning of the sugar coated landfill that has become most of the web.
We are right in the middle of the Tower of Babel story.
Seriously if it works reasonably well on legal fine prints I am in.
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#255Mozilla is like that ADHD child that will do anything except to work on what made company successful in the first place - browser.
This move makes sense for Firefox adoption, as Chrome has AI features built in now such as Lens
I don't want AI features in my browser. I want to browse the web with it.
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#256Earlier quoted context omitted.
How many daily-driveable browser engines we have today? - Blink: Chromium and their friends. - Webkit: Safari specific, on iOS and macOS only. - Gecko: Firefox and its a few forks. First two are forks of KHTML, which is dead by the end of KDE5 era. So? You have a cross platform evil and lesser evil (by judging the development financing). What you do? On the other hand, I don't finance Google by using the browser itse…
Yeah they’re all funded by Google, so by your explicitly stated principle you can’t use any of them
At least, I’m not feeding Google directly with my every keystroke, so that’s a plus. At least in my eyes.
Sometimes we have to be pragmatic, especially if being pedantic is detrimental to our aims.
Happy new year.
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#257Mozilla will spend any amount it takes to do anything but build a better browser.
Firefox is genuinely fine, great even, I've used it for years and have no complaints. But you notice in all these threads, everyone who theoretically ought to use Firefox comes up with their own little list of nitpicks that justify them not using it. "I can't use it because I was disgusted when they dropped feature x" "I won't use it because they spent their money on feature y instead of just doing z" Meanwhile Chrom…
To paraphrase an observation from politics: nerds fall in love, everyone else falls in line.
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#258I'm reading a lot of criticism here, some I understand, but honestly, this sounds pretty good for a free LLM service: "Orbit doesn't require account creation or save your session data." Maybe we shouldn't be too critical of Mozilla for providing a privacy-first LLM service - for free. The other big privacy-first LLM provider is Apple, which requires users to have their devices/subscriptions to use, and definitely use…
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#259I'm reading a lot of criticism here, some I understand, but honestly, this sounds pretty good for a free LLM service: "Orbit doesn't require account creation or save your session data." Maybe we shouldn't be too critical of Mozilla for providing a privacy-first LLM service - for free. The other big privacy-first LLM provider is Apple, which requires users to have their devices/subscriptions to use, and definitely use…
> Maybe we shouldn't be too critical of Mozilla for providing a privacy-first LLM service - for free. The other big privacy-first LLM provider is Apple, which requires users to have their devices/subscriptions to use, and definitely uses advanced telemetry by default. There is a very fundamental critique here: a service being offered for free like this is being subsidized, messing with the general market dynamics tha…
Does open source not itself severely mess with free market dynamics by having billions and billions of dollars of work being done for free?
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#260Am I the only person who isn't hugely interested in summarizing emails? I don't want emails summarized because that bypasses a tell-tale sign that said email isn't worth reading in the first place.