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Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by mentalgear »

I'm reading a lot of criticism here, some I understand, but honestly, this sounds pretty good for a free LLM service: "Orbit doesn't require account creation or save your session data."

Maybe we shouldn't be too critical of Mozilla for providing a privacy-first LLM service - for free. The other big privacy-first LLM provider is Apple, which requires users to have their devices/subscriptions to use, and definitely uses advanced telemetry by default.

Not to speak of all the other providers who are either paid or free-but-mine-your-data.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by Vinnl »

silisili wrote: post #178
bayindirh wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't use Firefox in the last three years, and you claim that Chrome/Brave (still) blows it away. Interesting.

Fair. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 12 times or so shame on me. /s, kinda. The OP claimed it got better in 2017, and it didn't meet my standards. But I'm honest that I haven't tried it in 2 years. If some news or person came out to suggest something big changed and I should try it again, I will. Otherwise I'm just wasting time for no reason.

Still upcoming (already in Nightly), but I'm very excited about vertical tabs, tab grouping, and a better profile UI. And proper uBlock Origin support is table stakes for me.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by bayindirh »

Vinnl wrote: post #182
silisili wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 12 times or so shame on me. /s, kinda. The OP claimed it got better in 2017, and it didn't meet my standards. But I'm honest that I haven't tried it in 2 years. If some news or person came out to suggest something big changed and I should try it again, I will. Otherwise I'm just wasting time for no reason.

Still upcoming (already in Nightly), but I'm very excited about vertical tabs, tab grouping, and a better profile UI. And proper uBlock Origin support is table stakes for me.

Considering the Profile UI is basically the same since Netscape days, a revamp of this is a bit overdue. Just a bit though. :)

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by mentalgear »

Hopefully Mozilla will eventually come up with a local-AI in the browser model, like the one currently being explored by Google Canary called Gemini Nano (which Google of course doesn't seem to want to make available in Chromium though).

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

#185

Post by FireInsight »

mentalgear wrote: post #181

I'm reading a lot of criticism here, some I understand, but honestly, this sounds pretty good for a free LLM service: "Orbit doesn't require account creation or save your session data." Maybe we shouldn't be too critical of Mozilla for providing a privacy-first LLM service - for free. The other big privacy-first LLM provider is Apple, which requires users to have their devices/subscriptions to use, and definitely use…

A very similar service is https://duck.ai/ from DDG.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

#186

Post by likeabatterycar »

amlib wrote: post #140
likeabatterycar wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Because some project manager had "AI" on his performance goals this year. Firefox is buggy as hell - which is incomprehensible given its age, but older brother Netscape had the same problem 20-ish years ago. The Netscape 4.x days were absolute hell and you could go hardly a day without the browser crashing. Despite this, it's packed with nons…

As a counterpoint I'm a heavy firefox user and haven't had crash in many months, and even that was because I was testing some experimental webgpu thing which I had to manually enable. It has its fair share of odd bugs but what kind of big piece of software nowadays hasn't? It's honestly no less cromulent than Chrome.

I said Netscape, not FF, was crash prone.

I would, however, agree FF has many "odd bugs".

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by mentalgear »

FireInsight wrote: post #185
mentalgear wrote: post #181

I'm reading a lot of criticism here, some I understand, but honestly, this sounds pretty good for a free LLM service: "Orbit doesn't require account creation or save your session data." Maybe we shouldn't be too critical of Mozilla for providing a privacy-first LLM service - for free. The other big privacy-first LLM provider is Apple, which requires users to have their devices/subscriptions to use, and definitely use…

A very similar service is https://duck.ai/ from DDG.

Definitely like DuckDuckGo - I have recently moved from Google to DDG as I noticed it serves the same, and even better plus privacy-first, results. Yet what you provide is not quite the same: An AI Chat Website vs a Browser Extension (Orbit).

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

#188

Post by likeabatterycar »

drdaeman wrote: post #40

I guess I'm really not this extension's target audience, because somehow Mozilla managed to make me uninstall it in just a few minutes. First, they have forced telemetry. Okay, it's an early release, it's very basic information, they want to understand how they're doing - I don't like it, but I can understand it. Sets a wrong vibe, though - I had to check if it was from Microsoft and not Mozilla. ;-) Then, I figured…

> I'm kidding, I don't really mind the visual style. The real issue with that thingy was how it floats on the page.

Finally someone admits that BonziBuddy was 25 years ahead of its time.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

#189

Post by makingstuffs »

mentalgear wrote: post #181

I'm reading a lot of criticism here, some I understand, but honestly, this sounds pretty good for a free LLM service: "Orbit doesn't require account creation or save your session data." Maybe we shouldn't be too critical of Mozilla for providing a privacy-first LLM service - for free. The other big privacy-first LLM provider is Apple, which requires users to have their devices/subscriptions to use, and definitely use…

There’s also Leo from Brave: https://brave.com/leo/
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