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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by potato3732842 »

rayiner wrote: post #268
olddustytrail wrote: post #226

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He's not joking. He's an immigrant himself. There is often the "pulling up the ladder" attitude from the ones who think they "deserved" their entry.

Not at all! I think it’s worse for the country to import foreign elites, like my family, than low skill workers. Foreign elites are the people most responsible for the dysfunction in their home countries.

And you can even see this in US states.

A bunch of plumbers and landscapers and other blue collar types move to small town Idaho and it's business as usual, maybe Spanish pops as a subtext on more public facing signage, the local diner expands, etc, etc.

A bunch of doctors and lawyers and techies and MBAs move to Idaho and it's mayhem, local politics get turned upside down, house prices off the charts, etc, etc.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by macrocosmos »

kortilla wrote: post #247
bdangubic wrote: post #230

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The public despises our current health care system. if this is true, “the public” has a very funny way of showing that. you just mention a different health care system to 1/2 of this country and see where that takes you (will guess you will hear socialism during those rants…) :)

The public likes the immediate access to healthcare, they just don’t like it when the bill comes due. That’s why you get complaints about healthcare wait times in Canada and the UK when people propose adopting fully nationalized systems like those. Those complaints come from people with decent to good insurance that have never been bitten by a denial, which unfortunately is the majority of the employed population. Pe…

You think it's unfortunate that the majority of the population has not been bitten by a denial?

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by datavirtue »

silisili wrote: post #180
UncleOxidant wrote: post #133

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When you compare Carter with the guy who's going to take office next month it shows how far we've fallen as a country. The previous era was already passing since about 2016, but with the death of Carter it seems like that era has died with him and it just feels very depressing.

While I agree with the general sentiment, I think the same could have been said regardless of which candidate won. It feels like the left moved left, the right moved right, and instead of catering to moderates, threatening them to pick a side. Said another way, I think a young Jimmy Carter type candidate would have wiped the floor with either side this election.

No way. Our politics are like a bar fight. Dirty and reactionary.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by lukan »

matsemann wrote: post #118
grecy wrote: post #63

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> He sure seemed like a legitimately good man. And I think this is where politics around the world has gone wrong. A decade or two ago I would genuinely have been happy for the leader of a country, or mayor or whatever elected leader to date my sister or to watch my kids or something like that. These days it feels like the most narcissistic a-holes get voted in. I wouldn't trust these people with my dog, and basicall…

Yesterday I watched an episode of a tv-show here in Norway ("A-laget") where people with severe autism, downs and similar interviews famous people. This episode was them interviewing our prime minister. And he was honestly so sweet, even when they asked questions with no filters. He also visited a ski-podcast I listen to, and there as well he came across as a very likeable guy. I don't vote for him, but I honestly th…

I guess I have to seriously start learning norsk again. I am not aware of german likable politicians in (potential) top positions.

(Also I love the norwegian wilderness)

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by datavirtue »

Salgat wrote: post #83
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #56

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I’m really worried that we just elected a president who clearly fixates on short term gains rather than long term planning. Biden did not mess that up, even if he is a one term president like Carter. It is nice to have adults in control, even if that is increasingly politically untenable.

What's frustrating is that a few years ago a recession was predicted, and we avoided that. But no one seems to have even mentioned it during the election. Am I just misremembering this? At least in the tech sector, lots of layoffs seemed to be attributed to the coming downturn.

You cannot predict these things.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by CalChris »

oh_my_goodness wrote: post #289
CalChris wrote: post #246

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Blame John Anderson as well.

Maybe so. But Anderson also pulled votes from more-or-less Republicans who didn't believe Reagan's assertion that cutting taxes and increasing spending would narrow the deficit.

It is true that Reagan campaigned against Carter's 'profligate' spending. But then it's also a fact that Carter (2.6% in 1980) had reduced Ford's deficit (4.1% in 1976) and then Reagan's deficit (5.9% in 1983) greatly increased Carter's. Reagan's Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney summarized the Reagan governing philosophy as deficits don't matter.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by rat87 »

Levitz wrote: post #354
JasserInicide wrote: post #264

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Republicans have always been pro-immigrant because it's inherently pro-business. They just have to do a song and dance routine for the low IQ racist cohort of their constituency to make it seem like they're tough on it. Though I will say it's been rather amusing watching people act betrayed by Elon's thoughts on H1-B visa holders. Like, how did you idiots not see this coming? He's the richest person in the world for…

>Republicans have always been pro-immigrant because it's inherently pro-business. They just have to do a song and dance routine for the low IQ racist cohort of their constituency to make it seem like they're tough on it. It has consistently been about illegal immigration. You are calling people "low IQ" and "Idiots" and you, literally in this very post, show you are falling for the same thing they fell for.

Illegal immigration has consistently been a fairly see through smokescreen for anti immigrant politics

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Post by unethical_ban »

Aunche wrote: post #311
lapcat wrote: post #214

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> For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. I still blame Carter for killing single-payer health care. Almost 50 years later, we're still stuffering from that. Consider the recent murder of the United executive, and the public glee over it. The public despises our current health care system. Of course Obama had the chance to remedy the situation but instead chose to give government subsidies to the very health ins…

> the very health insurance companies that everyone hates First of all, the vast majority of Americans like their health insurance [1]. There were talks of a public option but it would be political suicide for anyone in a swing state to support "government death panels." Indeed even the moderate ACA caused Democrats to suffer one of the worst Congressional losses in history [2]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13…

I simply do not trust those stats that people like their health insurance. I want to see the percentage of people who have had a catastrophic event occur who love their insurance.

A lot of people probably mean "I like having health insurance".

Yeah, we don't have government rationing or decisions based on outcome, we have publicly traded death panels.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

bdangubic wrote: post #396
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #338

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Categorizing in terms of absolutes, such as "there are no liberals who ..." and "no conservatives who ...", is to engage in reductionism for the purpose of supporting a preconceived notion: ... for majority of people every single opinion and thought they have just magically lines up with one political party ... This is simply not true.

it simply is :) EDIT: I’ll elaborate quickly why… the country is so divided these days that you can hardly engage in any conversation regarding politics across the aisle. so your only option to discuss things is with like-minded people. now when you get into like-minded group there is a herd mentality happening and serious echo chamber. here’s a personal example - one of my dearest friends on this planet used to be a…

>> Categorizing in terms of absolutes, such as "there are no liberals who ..." and "no conservatives who ...", is to engage in reductionism ...

>> This is simply not true.

> it simply is :)

People make choices for a multitude of reasons.

Sometimes those choices are knowingly to their detriment and can be confounding to others whom are not a part of their decision process. Many times the reasoning is "sacrifice for the greater good", where "the greater good" is defined by the very people who are the harbinger of their pain. Other times, it can be as simple as; "my life sucks so everyone else's should too!"

I am sure there are many more categories which could be provided as well.

But to say:

  .. for majority of people every single opinion and thought 
  they have just magically lines up with one political party ...
Is to be so dismissive of people as to be the height of arrogance.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by sigzero »

jmspring wrote: post #273
wombatpm wrote: post #201

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He had Kennedy trying to steal the convention and Jon Anderson running as an independent. But the hostages sunk his reelection. To paraphrase Cicero: were it not for the fact he had been president, Carter was the kind of man that everyone would say he would make an excellent president. RIP Mr Carter

Hostage situation that Reagan's campaign pushed to extend.

There is no credible information that is true.
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