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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bhouston »

mightyham wrote: post #323
insane_dreamer wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was the first American president to broker a serious Middle East peace agreement between Israel and a Middle Eastern nation (Egypt) - the Camp David Accord.

What's ironic about this is that Egypt no longer poses a threat to Israel because of these peace agreements and reliance on American foreign aid. If this were not the case, Israel likely would not be a position such that they could pursue military attacks against Gaza and war in Lebanon.

My view of the future is that Israel’s borders will probably continue to expand opportunistically for the forseeable future. This is a doctrine known as Greater Israel.

At some point the Egypt-Israel relationship could deteriorate and Israel could expand in that direction again.

Overall expansionist/conquest urges are back in with Russia, US under Trump and Israel. We will probably see China also get into the act.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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readthenotes1 wrote: post #71
jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

Look a little harder. The people living through the 1970s knew how bad he was and chose to put him out. He had bad staff, bad relations with the overwhelmingly Democratic Congress, and we got the Mayaguez, iran hostage, stagflation, and other troubles too many to list. He was a bad president, a good man, and a great ex-president.

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Post by 4RealFreedom »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #295
consumer451 wrote: post #206

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Blaming Kennedy is a take I hadn't heard before. I always gave the folks behind Reagan a lot of credit, as it is a historical fact that they conspired with a foreign power to hold the American hostages until after the election. > A Four-Decade Secret: One Man’s Story of Sabotaging Carter’s Re-election > A prominent Texas politician said he unwittingly took part in a 1980 tour of the Middle East with a clandestine age…

Reagan's entire administration was swamped in corruption and scandals. People really don't remember just how many investigations, charges, and convictions there were. People only remember Iran-Contra and the hostage crisis; it was so much worse. Reagan even cheated in a televised debate; someone stole Carter's notes and gave them to Reagan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandals_of_the_Ronald_Reagan_... Ronald "Small…

"That's higher than any other president by a massive amount" - Any modern president. Abraham Lincoln had a 2859.40% increase. Martin Van Buren had a 1458.32% increase. We've had quite a few over 200%.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by TheDudeMan »

wistlo wrote: post #231

"A generation from now, this solar heater can either be a curiosity, a museum piece, an example of a road not taken, or it can be a small part of one of the greatest and most exciting adventures ever undertaken by the American people,” Mr. Carter said. Reagan removed the panels in 1986." All you need to know about the respective legacies of Carter and Reagan.

What panels? What is this about?

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by chasil »

macrocosmos wrote: post #76

I wasn’t alive for Carter’s presidency, so can someone explain how his handling of the hostages in Iran was positive at all for the United States? To me as an American even this many years later and as a young person who didn’t see it, ending your presidency while another nation holds your citizens seems extremely embarrassing. And all I see is extreme praise of the man. I’d honestly like to see some discussion here.

You have to understand that the situation originated in 1953, when the elected prime minister of Iran was removed from office by the CIA after an attempt to nationalize assets owned by British Petroleum.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9ta...

This resulted in the Shah of Iran becoming more powerful, but was overthrown in 1978, when the hostages were taken.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_revolution

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by yyyk »

aeronaut80 wrote: post #356
yyyk wrote: post #333

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Which didn't justify the ban. Other countries didn't follow suit, main effect was hurting US nuclear industry and increasing pollution. P.S. These weren't solar panels (i.e. electricity generation), but solar water heaters . A very different tech, a useful tech, but not a global warming solution.

Solar water heaters reduce the fossil fuel that would be used to heat the water, reducing CO2 emissions very slightly, and therefore can be part of the climate change solution.

This is perfectly true, but as you say a small effect. Even in countries like Cyprus and Israel where nearly every home has a solar water heater and the climate is very conductive it saves something like 1-3% of electricity consumption I recall?

I meant it's not a solution in the class of solar panels, where the electricity can be used for nearly anything. Also heater tech isn't very high tech and didn't need much gov support in developing it. Mandating it in law where climate allows may have been useful though.

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Post by tiernano »

TheDudeMan wrote: post #364
wistlo wrote: post #231

"A generation from now, this solar heater can either be a curiosity, a museum piece, an example of a road not taken, or it can be a small part of one of the greatest and most exciting adventures ever undertaken by the American people,” Mr. Carter said. Reagan removed the panels in 1986." All you need to know about the respective legacies of Carter and Reagan.

What panels? What is this about?

Solar pannels on the white house.

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Post by bluGill »

bb88 wrote: post #340
kortilla wrote: post #250

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> France also has majority ownership of the nuclear plants, something that would never fly in the US (because Socialism!). Socialism is a red herring. 3 mile island and Chernobyl showed that state owned and private owned can equally be fucked up. France owning their plants is completely orthogonal to safety.

No one could be held responsible for the people affected by either of those accidents. Metropolitan Edison was only responsible to the regulatory agencies and their shareholders. Russia was a dictatorship. The problem with regulatory agencies in the US are, they're not directly voted in by the public and they can be corrupted by bribery or regulatory capture. Further violating regulations results in monetary fines or…

Note that voters mostly cannot be bothered to learn about such boards when they can elect them. There are alwaysa number on my ballot where I find out from seeing my sample ballot and I have no clue how to find out how I should vote after trying to look.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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TheDudeMan wrote: post #364
wistlo wrote: post #231

"A generation from now, this solar heater can either be a curiosity, a museum piece, an example of a road not taken, or it can be a small part of one of the greatest and most exciting adventures ever undertaken by the American people,” Mr. Carter said. Reagan removed the panels in 1986." All you need to know about the respective legacies of Carter and Reagan.

What panels? What is this about?

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