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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by notthemessiah »

kranke155 wrote: post #93
wahisurf wrote: post #81

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It was Clinton who made the WTO, GATT and NAFTA treaties that made manufacturing be sucked out of the US. Carter was only following up on Nixon. It was Nixon-Kissinger who had the brilliant idea of splitting the communist bloc (an idea which I’d say likely helped shape the end of the Cold War - without China influencing Asia in cooperation, the Soviet threat was much reduced). Carter was only following up on a winnin…

Clinton kind of finished the job which killed what remained of US industry, but we cannot ignore the role that Carter played to deregulate many industries (though some of the deregulation was good), as well as Carter's appointment of Paul Volcker, whose interest rate hike shocked the US into embracing trade deficits and empowered China to take up on lost US manufacturing. Nixon's 1973 shock left Carter with the stagflation which put him in the situation to begin with, so his political wins came at a horrific economic cost, and ended up blowing back at us in the end.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by snozolli »

llm_trw wrote: post #202
xattt wrote: post #176

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> the US would be in a much better place This would have been the case with Gore (2000) and Clinton (2016) too.

Gore was a bigger warmonger than Bush in the 2000 election. I don't see how we would have had a better outcome with him in power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6nW2Uow-zk&pp=ygUeQnVzaCBub... In case you don't believe that.

In that video, Gore said that, in the aftermath of the cold war, we should "step up to the plate" and provide leadership. He didn't say anything about wars or even the military, only Bush did!

This was during a period where there was hope for the former Soviet Union to become a free and open democracy with tremendous economic potential, not to mention the smaller, former Soviet states. Instead, we're right back where we were, with an imperialist Russia and puppet governments.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by rayrey »

oh_my_goodness wrote: post #289
CalChris wrote: post #246

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Blame John Anderson as well.

Maybe so. But Anderson also pulled votes from more-or-less Republicans who didn't believe Reagan's assertion that cutting taxes and increasing spending would narrow the deficit.

Describes my father who voted for Anderson. He didn’t trust Reagan at all

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by Levitz »

JasserInicide wrote: post #264
devin wrote: post #252

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The current infighting between republicans over H1Bs seems a counterexample.

Republicans have always been pro-immigrant because it's inherently pro-business. They just have to do a song and dance routine for the low IQ racist cohort of their constituency to make it seem like they're tough on it. Though I will say it's been rather amusing watching people act betrayed by Elon's thoughts on H1-B visa holders. Like, how did you idiots not see this coming? He's the richest person in the world for…

>Republicans have always been pro-immigrant because it's inherently pro-business. They just have to do a song and dance routine for the low IQ racist cohort of their constituency to make it seem like they're tough on it.

It has consistently been about illegal immigration.

You are calling people "low IQ" and "Idiots" and you, literally in this very post, show you are falling for the same thing they fell for.

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Post by bluGill »

epistasis wrote: post #317
chasil wrote: post #293

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In the 1970s, the feared effect was global cooling. I doubt that Carter could have intervened in any case. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

I'm not sure your article agrees that cooling was the dominant thought in the public sphere: > "While neither scientists nor the public could be sure in the 1970s whether the world was warming or cooling, people were increasingly inclined to believe that global climate was on the move, and in no small way" And it definitely wasn't in the scientific world: > Concern peaked in the early 1970s, though "the possibility o…

Mass media was clearly on th side of cooling and anyone trying to argue anything else looks like an idiot to anyone with a memory. And mass media had plenty of science people to quote. (this is of course different from what science showed but almost nobody knows that - what we see on the media is reality)

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by aeronaut80 »

yyyk wrote: post #333
NewJazz wrote: post #327

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There are serious proliferation concerns surrounding nuclear waste reprocessing. Btw Carter put solar panels on the white house.

Which didn't justify the ban. Other countries didn't follow suit, main effect was hurting US nuclear industry and increasing pollution. P.S. These weren't solar panels (i.e. electricity generation), but solar water heaters . A very different tech, a useful tech, but not a global warming solution.

Solar water heaters reduce the fossil fuel that would be used to heat the water, reducing CO2 emissions very slightly, and therefore can be part of the climate change solution.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bdangubic »

oh_my_goodness wrote: post #310
bdangubic wrote: post #301

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we’ll see how that will work in 2026 midterms :) he didn’t explain jackshit. he’ll try to play the word game which he also tried in 2018/2020 and we all know how that worked out

It will probably work out fine in the elections, because Trump's followers trust him to do right by them even while he's lying. Time will tell whether they're correct.

Trump followers alone is nowhere near enough to win an election in the USA. It was somewhat easy to win this election. you had post-Covid economy coupled with half-senile 80+ year old grandpa who was replaced by a candidate not a soul voted for.

however, when you are up for re-election (and midterms as 1/2-way gauge of how the country thinks you are doing) the buck stops with you. there is no “booo, it is not my fault” etc - american voter is not dumb in this regard.

- responsible for deaths of 100’s of thousands of people - you, the President

- locked everyone up for months in their homes for months, you, the President

- locked kids out of school for months - you, the President

- high un-employment - you, the President

- increased deficit more than anyone could even possible fathom - you, the President

- …

the buck stops with you. core MAGAs might still fall for “anti-wokeness” but that will get you a loss by many millions of votes to an already half-senile grandpa (see 2020) :)

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by gpm »

yyyk wrote: post #333
NewJazz wrote: post #327

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There are serious proliferation concerns surrounding nuclear waste reprocessing. Btw Carter put solar panels on the white house.

Which didn't justify the ban. Other countries didn't follow suit, main effect was hurting US nuclear industry and increasing pollution. P.S. These weren't solar panels (i.e. electricity generation), but solar water heaters . A very different tech, a useful tech, but not a global warming solution.

A huge percentage of energy is used for household heating, solar water heaters were definitely a potential contributor to solving global warming (and other concerns of the day like air pollution, acid rain (solved!), peak oil (not a problem as it turns out), or just reducing oil dependency in general).

Solar electricity has become much, much, cheaper and more efficient since then, and heatpumps have made electric heating much more efficient, so solar hot water doesn't look like it's going to be the future (though new installations do still happen today, despite the advances in solar electric). It wasn't a bad bet at the time though.

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Post by bluGill »

yyyk wrote: post #333
NewJazz wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are serious proliferation concerns surrounding nuclear waste reprocessing. Btw Carter put solar panels on the white house.

Which didn't justify the ban. Other countries didn't follow suit, main effect was hurting US nuclear industry and increasing pollution. P.S. These weren't solar panels (i.e. electricity generation), but solar water heaters . A very different tech, a useful tech, but not a global warming solution.

Water heating is a sgnifant use of energy so an easy convert to solar there would be significant. Alone not enough of course but still significant

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by Quekid5 »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #295
consumer451 wrote: post #206

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Blaming Kennedy is a take I hadn't heard before. I always gave the folks behind Reagan a lot of credit, as it is a historical fact that they conspired with a foreign power to hold the American hostages until after the election. > A Four-Decade Secret: One Man’s Story of Sabotaging Carter’s Re-election > A prominent Texas politician said he unwittingly took part in a 1980 tour of the Middle East with a clandestine age…

Reagan's entire administration was swamped in corruption and scandals. People really don't remember just how many investigations, charges, and convictions there were. People only remember Iran-Contra and the hostage crisis; it was so much worse. Reagan even cheated in a televised debate; someone stole Carter's notes and gave them to Reagan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandals_of_the_Ronald_Reagan_... Ronald "Small…

Ignoring [the AIDS epidemic] is putting it mildly, IMO
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