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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bdangubic »

oh_my_goodness wrote: post #299
bdangubic wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

messaging is hard when prices never went down… you can’t send economist/finacial times article explaining what biden was able to pull of (albeit the raising deficit) to a farmer in oklahoma who is paying 80% more for his groceries…

It's not that hard to explain that prices stopped rising, which is what it means to kill inflation. Even Trump explained that point pretty clearly. After the election.

we’ll see how that will work in 2026 midterms :) he didn’t explain jackshit. he’ll try to play the word game which he also tried in 2018/2020 and we all know how that worked out

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by Aunche »

llm_trw wrote: post #216
lisper wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With good reason.

Carter deregulated more than Raygun. Raygun introduced more gun regulations than Carter. Both parties are worse than the other on the issues they promise to be better on. It's almost like it's a big club that you're not a member of.

> Carter deregulated more than Raygun. Raygun introduced more gun regulations than Carter

Both these ignore a lot of context. Carter had to do something about stagflation. Deregulation that promotes competition and appointing Volcker to the Fed aren't directly eroding worker's rights like Reagan's solution of union busting. Reagan signed the machine gun ban as part of an amendment to pass the Firearms Owners' Protection Act that was endorsed by the NRA.

> It's almost like it's a big club that you're not a member of.

Agreed, but not in the way that you're thinking of. The "big club" is capable of understanding nuance and making dispassionate decisions (or at least their can hire people who can do that on their behalf). Regular voters react to emotional sound bites and outsource their critical thinking to those in the "big club" who superficially align with their worldview.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by piva00 »

magicbuzz wrote: post #296
jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

The term ‘climate change’ didn’t exist 45 years ago (except perhaps in a few technical circles). You’re using current knowledge/terminology/perspective to comment on things that were not in the mindset of the general populace or politicians at the time. I know this as I was there.

The terms "inadvertent climate modification" and "global warming" were very much coming up around the late 80s.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by techdmn »

lisper wrote: post #208
llm_trw wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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With good reason.

I like to jokingly argue that the primary difference between Democrats and Republicans is disagreement on whether it's more important to subsidize large corporations directly or through tax policy.

In reality I think there is a lot of daylight between the parties on social issues that do not affect current power structures.

Abortion, trans rights, women's rights, gay marriage, religion in public schools, etc: Tons of difference.

Funding genocide, subsidising the fossil fuel industry, maintaining a for-profit healthcare system, opposing ranked choice or instant run-off voting, keeping third parties out, refusing to enforce anti-trust law, refusing to raise the minimum wage, no accountability for police brutality, etc: Broad bipartisan support.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by [deleted] »

bdangubic wrote: post #301
oh_my_goodness wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that hard to explain that prices stopped rising, which is what it means to kill inflation. Even Trump explained that point pretty clearly. After the election.

we’ll see how that will work in 2026 midterms :) he didn’t explain jackshit. he’ll try to play the word game which he also tried in 2018/2020 and we all know how that worked out

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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

silisili wrote: post #180
UncleOxidant wrote: post #133

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When you compare Carter with the guy who's going to take office next month it shows how far we've fallen as a country. The previous era was already passing since about 2016, but with the death of Carter it seems like that era has died with him and it just feels very depressing.

While I agree with the general sentiment, I think the same could have been said regardless of which candidate won. It feels like the left moved left, the right moved right, and instead of catering to moderates, threatening them to pick a side. Said another way, I think a young Jimmy Carter type candidate would have wiped the floor with either side this election.

> like the left moved left, the right moved right,

The only leftist pandering that Kamala offered was getting rid of taxes on tips (something that Trump offered first, actually), she seemed fairly center, or even a bit right of center (putting off far lefties) as Democrat presidential candidates are usually these days. Trump, likewise, didn't really veer right, he actually veered a bit left in offering to lower prices, make life easier, less wars, and stuff that you would not really hear from a far right candidate either (well, except for the ultra nationalism). I don't think left and right really describes our parties anymore.

> Said another way, I think a young Jimmy Carter type candidate would have wiped the floor with either side this election.

I don't think someone like young Jimmy Carter could get elected today, he is just too honest and wouldn't be promising enough short term juice. Most Americans are too inward focused for that kind of politician right now.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by notthemessiah »

bwanab wrote: post #164
readthenotes1 wrote: post #71

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Look a little harder. The people living through the 1970s knew how bad he was and chose to put him out. He had bad staff, bad relations with the overwhelmingly Democratic Congress, and we got the Mayaguez, iran hostage, stagflation, and other troubles too many to list. He was a bad president, a good man, and a great ex-president.

While I disagree with your verdict, those are all valid points. I don't think stagflation can really be pinned on him, though.

Yes. Stagflation originated with the Nixon Shock, when he ended the Bretton Woods system and US Dollar-gold convertibility, because France and other countries wanted to pull their gold out of Fort Knox because we had the exorbitant privilege to finance the Vietnam War as well as Great Society programs.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

bdangubic wrote: post #262
distortionfield wrote: post #255

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Right? Biden actually pulled off a soft landing and got inflation under control. Just couldn’t land that messaging by the time it mattered.

messaging is hard when prices never went down… you can’t send economist/finacial times article explaining what biden was able to pull of (albeit the raising deficit) to a farmer in oklahoma who is paying 80% more for his groceries…

> messaging is hard when prices never went down…

The opposite of inflation (when prices go up), deflation (when prices go down) is never a good thing. But explaining that a bit of inflation is a good thing is something all economists agree on but most normal people can't understand. The fact that velocity should always be positive, and that "lower inflation" means lowering the rate of price growth, not deflation, is also something they don't get.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by lisper »

techdmn wrote: post #304
lisper wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With good reason.

I like to jokingly argue that the primary difference between Democrats and Republicans is disagreement on whether it's more important to subsidize large corporations directly or through tax policy. In reality I think there is a lot of daylight between the parties on social issues that do not affect current power structures . Abortion, trans rights, women's rights, gay marriage, religion in public schools, etc: Tons o…

> Tons of difference.

QED.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by oh_my_goodness »

bdangubic wrote: post #301
oh_my_goodness wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that hard to explain that prices stopped rising, which is what it means to kill inflation. Even Trump explained that point pretty clearly. After the election.

we’ll see how that will work in 2026 midterms :) he didn’t explain jackshit. he’ll try to play the word game which he also tried in 2018/2020 and we all know how that worked out

It will probably work out fine in the elections, because Trump's followers trust him to do right by them even while he's lying. Time will tell whether they're correct.
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