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"A generation from now, this solar heater can either be a curiosity, a museum piece, an example of a road not taken, or it can be a small part of one of the greatest and most exciting adventures ever undertaken by the American people,” Mr. Carter said. Reagan removed the panels in 1986."

All you need to know about the respective legacies of Carter and Reagan.

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Ironically he did more deregulation than Reagan yet somehow we don’t remember it that way. For his electoral loss it’s just that Carter was never interested in the political manoeuvring. He was never going to have a good chance.

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A lot of the deregulation under Carter legitimately did need to happen.

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Telling everyone you're going to vote for someone isn't an endorsement?

I consider an endorsement more of the rationale for why, personally.

I think telling everyone you wish to live long enough to vote for Kamala Harris is a pretty firm endorsement.

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I lived in the Knoxville/Oak Ridge TN area at the time. Under Carter the TVA had built full working house demonstrations of solar, geothermal, and passive cooling homes. They were all cancelled shortly after the 80 election.

> I lived in the Knoxville/Oak Ridge TN area at the time Hey, so did I! ORHS class of '82. Maybe we met back in the day?

ORHS '70, so probably not :(

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One could argue he set the stage for the 1980s economic boom by making short term sacrifices that cost him re-election. It was his administration that did market-oriented deregulation around airlines and trucking industries (meaning you didn't need to have a licence to ship goods across state lines and go through monopoly trucking companies to get your goods to market) as well as appointed Paul Volcker as Fed chair w…

As Reagan's first Executive Order, he repealed all oil and gas allocation and price controls. The chronic gas lines disappeared literally overnight, and never came back. I remember that day well.

Funny thing, I didn't any trouble finding gasoline on January 19, 1981.

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Carter was the most pro-Palestinian president of the 20th century. It's worth reading his book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine:_Peace_Not_Apartheid

I would argue that he was pro-peace.

He wanted both Israel and Palestine to exist, not one at the expense of the other. Just as he peace treaty with Egypt was pro-Peace not pro-Egyptian.

For this reason he opposed Israeli settlements in the West Bank saying they were leading to a situation akin to apartheid, eg https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-...

It wasn’t very successful as a proposition as it seems that Israel will annex the West Bank and much of Gaza but leaving Palestinians without a state of their own or without citizenship in Israel.

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When you compare Carter with the guy who's going to take office next month it shows how far we've fallen as a country. The previous era was already passing since about 2016, but with the death of Carter it seems like that era has died with him and it just feels very depressing.

While I agree with the general sentiment, I think the same could have been said regardless of which candidate won. It feels like the left moved left, the right moved right, and instead of catering to moderates, threatening them to pick a side. Said another way, I think a young Jimmy Carter type candidate would have wiped the floor with either side this election.

I'm not sure what you mean by the left moving left. In my view, if anything the left wing has been moving rightward for at least a couple decades. Just not as far or quickly right as the right wing.

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If I live in a desert and 1000 children who have never seen the ocean tell me it’s ugly, should I believe them over the one older man who has actually seen it and says it’s beautiful? First hand accounts are inherently more valuable than secondary ones. Failure to see that is frightening. Just because something gets echoed over and over doesn’t make it true. And that’s exactly what I see. I see my generation saying h…

There was definitely a perception at the time that Carter wasn’t doing enough, but we can ask ourselves whether that perception was justified.

Creating that perception is part of the president’s job though. One of the president’s roles is as a figurehead and they set the tone for the country. Setting an overwhelmingly bad tone across an entire nation that was so bad I even know about despite being born after the man even was president is awful.

So yes I’d say depressing and embarrassing hundreds of millions of people probably had a negative effect on the nation.

I can see it on the older generation’s faces when they talk about Carter. It’s a sad face on otherwise cheerful people.

I’m not going to gaslight them into believing he was actually great and they just didn’t know it.

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I wasn’t alive for Carter’s presidency, so can someone explain how his handling of the hostages in Iran was positive at all for the United States? To me as an American even this many years later and as a young person who didn’t see it, ending your presidency while another nation holds your citizens seems extremely embarrassing. And all I see is extreme praise of the man. I’d honestly like to see some discussion here.

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