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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by PostOnce »

griomnib wrote: post #128
messe wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that relevant in this context?

I think it’s very relevant as we have yet another old man in mental decline taking over, we should be talking a lot more about the real risks the gerontocracy poses.

Gerontocracy will remain even if age makes you unelectable, i.e. no one elected Murdoch.

Wealth and power are both subject to a sort of reverse entropy, they tend to concentrate, and that means the older someone is the more they are likely to have.

A 30 year old's rolodex will not be as impressive as a 70 year olds.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by UncleOxidant »

DonHopkins wrote: post #62
christianqchung wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After Ted Kennedy killed a woman[1], he never should've tried to run for president. And I say that as a Cape Cod native. When he finally died in 2009 he was literally replaced in the Senate by a Republican, throwing the Democrats into chaos. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

As the bumper sticker went: "More people died at Chappaquiddick than at Three Mile Island." On the "October Surprise" topic that other posters have asked for more information about -- it's a fascinating story that ultimately leads to the Iran-Contra scandal: Here's a transcript of a 1987 broadcast by The Other American's Radio about the October Surprise: https://www.donhopkins.com/home/catalog/text/october-suprise...…

>From the beginning, President Jimmy Carter gave the hostage crisis a high profile.

As someone who remembers that era, I'm not entirely sure I agree with that. I don't think Carter himself made it high profile as much as the media did. The ABC News show Nightline started then as a nightly report on the latest in the hostage situation. Every night it would start with "Day XYZ: America Held Hostage!" (where XYX had been the number of days. The Right wanted Carter to bomb Iran "back into the stoneage".

As for the rescue attempt, there were significant problems including equipment failure - new helicopters that weren't really battle tested, for example (this led to a lot of soul searching as to whether there were problems with military procurement, for example). Yes, Carter probably shouldn't have agreed to it.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by WalterBright »

hylaride wrote: post #50

One could argue he set the stage for the 1980s economic boom by making short term sacrifices that cost him re-election. It was his administration that did market-oriented deregulation around airlines and trucking industries (meaning you didn't need to have a licence to ship goods across state lines and go through monopoly trucking companies to get your goods to market) as well as appointed Paul Volcker as Fed chair w…

As Reagan's first Executive Order, he repealed all oil and gas allocation and price controls.

The chronic gas lines disappeared literally overnight, and never came back.

I remember that day well.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by _zagj »

christianqchung wrote: post #113
_zagj wrote: post #64

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Kennedy killed at least three different attempts at universal healthcare by three different presidents (Nixon, Carter, and Clinton) because he delusionally believed he not only could win the Democratic nomination for President (he never did), but that he could win the general election, Chappaquiddick baggage and all, and that universal healthcare would be his legacy--a kind of new New Deal. This isn't just my interpr…

Every time I've read about an opportunity for universal healthcare to be passed, something apparently insurmountable always crops up. I was too young during the Obama debates to read about this, but I read more about it a decade after. Carter expressing frankly what reads like rage to me makes it feel like the closest chance we had, but I haven't read into the specifics. That aside, when I read about downsides of uni…

My post wasn't about universal healthcare, but to point out to the progressives who downvoted you that Ted was instrumental in thwarting it three different times, and that he likely did so for purely selfish reasons, and that given all of his other baggage--including the fact that he was the textbook definition of a "nepobaby," born with a silver spoon in his mouth, admitted to Harvard as a legacy, expelled for cheating on a Spanish test and then readmitted for "reasons"--he shouldn't have much posthumous appeal to non-boomer leftists, who obviously don't "remember where you were when JFK was shot."

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bwanab »

jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

I lived in the Knoxville/Oak Ridge TN area at the time. Under Carter the TVA had built full working house demonstrations of solar, geothermal, and passive cooling homes. They were all cancelled shortly after the 80 election.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by WalterBright »

bdndndndbve wrote: post #125
linguae wrote: post #68

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For these reasons, Jimmy Carter is my third-favorite president of the 20th century, behind my favorite, Calvin Coolidge, and my second-favorite, Dwight Eisenhower. I am a very big fan of Paul Volcker and I’m glad Jimmy Carter nominated him as chair of the Fed. I wish Reagan kept Volcker as chair during Reagan’s second term.

FDR doesn't make the cut?

FDR stripped 110,000 Americans of their property and herded them into concentration camps.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by JadeNB »

khazhoux wrote: post #34
jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

> For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. Explain?

In case it helps to clarify, probably Ted Kennedy, not JFK.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by xyst »

He was a good person, but unfortunately his administration set a massive precedent in deregulation of private industries, and setup the foundation for neo-liberalism and Reagan/“trickle down” economics.
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