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Post by Spagbol »

metabagel wrote: post #189
Spagbol wrote: post #142

I have not done significant research, but the more I have read about Jimmy Carter the more I am convinced he is very underrated, and the more I read about Reagan the more I beleive he was a bad choice for the average U.S. citizen long-term (e.g. destroying the U.S. lead on climate tech, and creating policies that ultimately eroded the wealth of the middle class) Reagan was certainly charming, but I beleive he didn't…

I hope you’re right, but there is an entire cottage industry dedicated to propping up Reagan’s legacy.

I was thinking longer-term history when those incentives have eroded. And of course these things are always easier to see in hindsight

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Post by davidw »

silisili wrote: post #180
UncleOxidant wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you compare Carter with the guy who's going to take office next month it shows how far we've fallen as a country. The previous era was already passing since about 2016, but with the death of Carter it seems like that era has died with him and it just feels very depressing.

While I agree with the general sentiment, I think the same could have been said regardless of which candidate won. It feels like the left moved left, the right moved right, and instead of catering to moderates, threatening them to pick a side. Said another way, I think a young Jimmy Carter type candidate would have wiped the floor with either side this election.

"Both sides" doesn't really correspond with reality though. She made a concentrated effort to reach out to people on both sides, including the Cheneys, of all people.

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Post by lapcat »

jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

> For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy.

I still blame Carter for killing single-payer health care. Almost 50 years later, we're still stuffering from that. Consider the recent murder of the United executive, and the public glee over it. The public despises our current health care system.

Of course Obama had the chance to remedy the situation but instead chose to give government subsidies to the very health insurance companies that everyone hates.

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Post by lisper »

bwanab wrote: post #157
jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

I lived in the Knoxville/Oak Ridge TN area at the time. Under Carter the TVA had built full working house demonstrations of solar, geothermal, and passive cooling homes. They were all cancelled shortly after the 80 election.

> I lived in the Knoxville/Oak Ridge TN area at the time

Hey, so did I! ORHS class of '82. Maybe we met back in the day?

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Post by llm_trw »

lisper wrote: post #208
llm_trw wrote: post #188

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With good reason.

Carter deregulated more than Raygun. Raygun introduced more gun regulations than Carter.

Both parties are worse than the other on the issues they promise to be better on.

It's almost like it's a big club that you're not a member of.

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Post by chaostheory »

jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

President Carter was a good person. However. We lost control of the Panama Canal because of Carter which is a major blunder especially today.

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Post by ajcp »

FillardMillmore wrote: post #53

My favorite Carter story was when he was out on a fishing boat and there was a swamp rabbit that aggressively approached his boat. Carter used his paddle to shoo it away. He told his advisers about it, but they didn't believe him. But a White House photographer was taking pictures of the trip at the time and captured the rabbit in the picture. Of course, the press blew it out of proportion and used it to mock/attack…

The Onions announcement of his death: 48-Year-Old Rabbit Finally Finishes the Job[0]

0. https://theonion.com/48-year-old-rabbit-finally-finishes-the...

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

Spagbol wrote: post #142

I have not done significant research, but the more I have read about Jimmy Carter the more I am convinced he is very underrated, and the more I read about Reagan the more I beleive he was a bad choice for the average U.S. citizen long-term (e.g. destroying the U.S. lead on climate tech, and creating policies that ultimately eroded the wealth of the middle class) Reagan was certainly charming, but I beleive he didn't…

I view both of them positively (unusual I suppose). Honestly compared to the poor presidents we’ve been getting in this century, the 20th makes me very jealous in retrospect.

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Post by bb88 »

Terr_ wrote: post #187
bb88 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Three Mile Island and then Chernobyl kinda killed that dream. Both had bad actors trying to cover up the leak, and caused the nuclear scare to go even worse. France also has majority ownership of the nuclear plants, something that would never fly in the US (because Socialism!). Even when I was an intern at a power company, the leaders there saw the nuclear power plant the company owned as an "albatross around their n…

Over in Washington, the Hanford nuclear site is a big demonstration that we haven't really solved the holistic problems of nuclear waste. (Technical, financial, legal, political.) Even just trying to ship it elsewhere for processing gets blocked by other states and cities.

Nuclear waste is much like the national debt. Future generations will be dealing with it. And that's certainly the case with Hanford.
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