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Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Are you claiming that it's not possible to use bluesky without running into such content?

I've been using it since early on in the invite era and have yet to come across it at all. Just like with Twitter, I only look at the feed showing me the people I follow. On neither site am I forced to see content I don't want to see.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Mastodon isn't true decentralization to begin with, it's just federation like email, where every user is attached to a server and the server operator holds all the power, while the user holds none. I find that approach a waste of time, as it's just replicating past mistakes verbatim. On top of that, the whole Fediverse is extremely political. Email providers don't care much what you write or with whom you communicate…

"every user is attached to a server and the server operator holds all the power, while the user holds none" So run your own server.

How many people are running their own mail outside of large orgs or privacy/security niche? How many of those have had trouble sending mail to eg gmail?

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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I dream of a “classic web” as well. Principles: (a) non minification and no binary code – this is so that the platform is user and dev centred and not corpo and advertiser centred (b) static only mode as default, as in a site will be considered broken if it needs dynamic scripts to work, or at least it won't be considered a "classic" site – this is for (1) accessability and (2) command line (non-GUI) browser access a…

Those are all great and I'd love to see them too. But along the lines of general user experience, the central feature I have in mind is the time-based feed. No engagement algorithms, no suggestions, just things happening as they happen. Anything that goes viral does so organically with no push from the system. The irony of all social media is they all start with an ad-free time-based feed to make people fall in love…

I think it's only feasible to go with this "classic web" approach by having it be a paid service.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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IMO Mastodon is the only real place for a truly decentralized option. BlueSky became immediately political in its narrative and many people just view it in the same light as Truth Social now. It has a future, but the branding in very tainted.

Mastodon isn't true decentralization to begin with, it's just federation like email, where every user is attached to a server and the server operator holds all the power, while the user holds none. I find that approach a waste of time, as it's just replicating past mistakes verbatim. On top of that, the whole Fediverse is extremely political. Email providers don't care much what you write or with whom you communicate…

Bluesky is centralized. Mastodon is decentralized. Neither is distributed.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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I'm not trying to be rude but are you serious or being sarcastic? Because on here it could go either way. There are definitely people who would build everything themselves just because they can. And there are people who would mock someone for doing so. If you're being serious, how much time does it take and how much custom software do you actually have?

Self-hosting sounds good but the security concerns are just a bind. Plus you need stability. Like having a home. Our electric grid falls over at least once a week where we live. Yes I could use batteries, but no, I can't be bothered.

Or you die, if you are interested in long-term availability of your work. It's nice to have it hosted somewhere where others will look after it.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Matrix/Discourse? But like all self hosted solution, it's harder to use than a managed product. I think they're both excellent though, and pretty common in some circles.

My team uses Matrix and I must say I'm not satisfied. There are messages that I get a notification for every time I open the app, and "mark as read" buttons that do nothing, especially if you use threads. This is something that has supposedly been fixed many times, but it's one of these persistent issues that keep coming back. Also, as far as I can tell, there is no real diversity in clients even though Matrix is in…

I am having many "Waiting for this message", usually from the same users, and I never get them... I have no idea why this happens to me.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Those are all great and I'd love to see them too. But along the lines of general user experience, the central feature I have in mind is the time-based feed. No engagement algorithms, no suggestions, just things happening as they happen. Anything that goes viral does so organically with no push from the system. The irony of all social media is they all start with an ad-free time-based feed to make people fall in love…

I think it's only feasible to go with this "classic web" approach by having it be a paid service.

Yes as mentioned above, a very low cost subscription would be ideal. Taking investment and using the 2010 era growth model would doom the user experience as we’ve seen.

A paid service, even at a comically low price, would be a hard sell at first but that could change as people see the value.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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"every user is attached to a server and the server operator holds all the power, while the user holds none" So run your own server.

How many people are running their own mail outside of large orgs or privacy/security niche? How many of those have had trouble sending mail to eg gmail?

It's easier to run your own Mastodon server than your own mail server (for the exact reason you cite).

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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It's quite interesting how much Musk's taking over Twitter damaged a lot of small businesses, where the person's personal brand on Twitter actually generated a decent amount of their business. What was even more interesting was seeing those semi-large accounts 20-100k followers move over to Bluesky post the same material on both but get more engagement on Bluesky with 1/10th of the audience.

Very interesting. Do you have any links with actual data / detail?

Not op but I'm on Bluesky and have seen several of these decent sized accounts, including people at large newsrooms say they get far more engagement at BlueSky than Twitter. Bigger fish, smaller pond, I suspect, but also more engaged users perhaps.
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