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Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again
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Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again
#122When Bluesky announced they were taking on large amounts of capital to handle the growth that's when I knew their days were numbered. Capital requires returns, and a lot of the degradation of the user experience in the past few years is due to catering to investors and advertisers (who are the actual customers). Decentralization as is promised is one way to mitigate this, but there's no economic incentive to go throu…
I dream of a “classic web” as well. Principles: (a) non minification and no binary code – this is so that the platform is user and dev centred and not corpo and advertiser centred (b) static only mode as default, as in a site will be considered broken if it needs dynamic scripts to work, or at least it won't be considered a "classic" site – this is for (1) accessability and (2) command line (non-GUI) browser access a…
Those are all great and I'd love to see them too.
But along the lines of general user experience, the central feature I have in mind is the time-based feed. No engagement algorithms, no suggestions, just things happening as they happen. Anything that goes viral does so organically with no push from the system.
The irony of all social media is they all start with an ad-free time-based feed to make people fall in love with the app, then once they reach a critical mass they switch to an engagement algorithm to addict them and pump up views for advertisers.
Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again
#123Twitter sucks because it's commercial. Threads sucks because it's commercial. Bluesky will suck because it's commercial. If only there was a pattern we could detect. Learn about the Fediverse (not just "Mastodon"), it's the only solution worthy of you.
HackerNews is commercial. Beware of sampling bias.
Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again
#124This is the right attitude. The amount of people who's world crumbles when they get banned and heavily depend on its engagement and income is too high.
In terms of Bluesky/Threads, etc. When a platform's intrinsic value is that, "it's not the other platform", it won't last or will only track very niche and closed-off groups. What does Bluesky offer that is unique/different?
Federation, as the post mentioned, is something the average user doesn't care or is beyond their comprehension. Too much friction as it is implemented, the best way is to organically and transparently implement it, if it's even possible.
Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again
#125Twitter sucks because it's commercial. Threads sucks because it's commercial. Bluesky will suck because it's commercial. If only there was a pattern we could detect. Learn about the Fediverse (not just "Mastodon"), it's the only solution worthy of you.
Threads sucks because it's empty. Bluesky appears to be an extremely online leftist enclave (which might be valuable to extemely online lefists, but is less appealing to the rest of us). Twitter... remains the king? It has its issues but lack of poasters and a broad spectrum of opinions aren't among them. These services aren't bad because they're commercial enterprises.
Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This hasn't said anything of value, since everything is political. I really disagree with this statement. Many things are political, but not everything. (Unless you’re abstracting the word political to the point of it meaning any human relationship. At which point the word isn’t useful) Some choices are just convenience. Most people with an iPhone don’t choose to text on messenger because of a political opinion, it…
> Some choices are just convenience. > Most people don’t know they’re limiting their interaction. Sure, but they often carry political implications (even if the choice/chooser was unconscious of them) > Most people with an iPhone don’t choose to text on messenger because of a political opinion, it’s just because it’s the default app on their phone. That's not the best example to make your point considering many peopl…
This seems like a category error. Topics that have political aspects, e.g. environmentalism, also have non-political aspects.
Also, it just seems like an excuse for mob mentality. It's "if you're not for us you're against us" with extra steps.
Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that is federation working as intended. These instance admins are exercising their right to free speech by not federating with instances that contain content they disagree with or disallow on their instance. I think it's not at all comparable to a corporate entity like X being in full control and able to censor any content. You may create your own instance and federate with the instances you want. If an insta…
> I think that is federation working as intended My email provider doesn't prevent me from sending an email from someone at Gmail because someone at Gmail happens to have opposite views to the admin. Yet email is still federated.
Plenty of email servers will throw you off for using the domain to email things they disagree with. It's just that most people have migrated to general purpose providers for their personal addresses.
Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
You'll be surprised how many people think they can just use first.lastname@gmail.com and have email magically appear in their account. And even more people have no idea what the @gmail.com/@ibm.com is about. All they know is that some of their emails don't reach their contacts, probably because "the computer broke again". It's not a hard concept, but it's a concept that was only ever explained in school to a sliver o…
I have my own domain, and have email set up so that any email to that domain goes to me. You'd be surprised (well, nobody here on HN would be) to know how many times I tell a business that my email is "their-business@my-domain.com", and they ask me how I got that email address, whether I work for their company, etc.
Yep. I've had that conversation more than once. They get very suspicious! And probably triggers internal meetings with cyber.
Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again
#129It's quite interesting how much Musk's taking over Twitter damaged a lot of small businesses, where the person's personal brand on Twitter actually generated a decent amount of their business. What was even more interesting was seeing those semi-large accounts 20-100k followers move over to Bluesky post the same material on both but get more engagement on Bluesky with 1/10th of the audience.
Very interesting. Do you have any links with actual data / detail?
Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
My team uses Matrix and I must say I'm not satisfied. There are messages that I get a notification for every time I open the app, and "mark as read" buttons that do nothing, especially if you use threads. This is something that has supposedly been fixed many times, but it's one of these persistent issues that keep coming back. Also, as far as I can tell, there is no real diversity in clients even though Matrix is in…
Something isn’t right here; thread notif problems should have been solved a year or so ago. And most apps are not element forks - eg FluffyChat, Nheko, Cinny are all great fully featured apps and separate codebases. The only Element fork i can think of is SchildiChat. Meanwhile matrix-react-sdk doesn’t even exist any more. Are you on a stale build for some reason?
> FluffyChat, Nheko, Cinny are all great fully featured apps and separate codebases
Ok, I was mistaken about everything being an Element fork.
To move the goalposts slightly though --- do any of these apps properly support threads (i.e. messages in threads show up in and only in separate views)?