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Germany Opened Its Doors to Migrants. Now It's Struggling to Cope

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Re: Germany Opened Its Doors to Migrants. Now It's Struggling to Cope

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Post by eadmund »

BerislavLopac wrote: post #18
ciconia wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it’s in the middle of Europe between Asia and Africa I would say that's a bit of a stretch. It is true Germany has a long history if immigration, but before modern times that was mostly from eastern and southern Europe, not from other continents [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany

Except for Turkey, the no. 1 source of immigration to Germany, which is very much in Asia.

> > before modern times that was mostly from eastern and southern Europe, not from other continent

> Except for Turkey

The mass immigration from Turkey started in the 1960s, well into the modern era. There are plenty of Germans still living today who remember the era when Turks were a rarity in Germany.

No doubt there were Turks who settled in Germany, or the countries which would become Germany, well before then, but the mass immigration is very much a modern thing.

Re: Germany Opened Its Doors to Migrants. Now It's Struggling to Cope

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Post by eadmund »

jemmyw wrote: post #19
spants wrote: post #15

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Britain is better off with brexit than if it had stayed. People voted for brexit because they wanted to determine their (british) future and not be tied to the eu. Brexit was never delivered as promised because the vote was only given because they thought that it would fail. Immigration (economic migration) again is the fault of the government bowing down to the echr rules that it actually does not need to. Europe is…

Britain is not apart from Europe, the continent. It has, and always will be, deeply connected. Leaving the EU didn't mean it got to sail away to a new place, it just meant no longer having a powerful seat at the table. Effectively, Britains future is always tied to the EU, as the EUs is tied to Britain. If Europe has a big economic failure then it will drag the UK down regardless of politics. If Europe has a war the…

> Leaving the EU didn't mean it got to sail away to a new place, it just meant no longer having a powerful seat at the table.

Not necessarily: it could also mean that rather than being one voice among 28 in negotiations, they are now one voice against one (the EU as a whole). Potentially. More pessimistically, 3.6 trillion versus 19.4 (in terms of GDP). Or more pessimistically still, as you indicate, no voice versus one.

I think that the truth is somewhere between those options.

Re: Germany Opened Its Doors to Migrants. Now It's Struggling to Cope

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Post by BerislavLopac »

eadmund wrote: post #31
BerislavLopac wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for Turkey, the no. 1 source of immigration to Germany, which is very much in Asia.

> > before modern times that was mostly from eastern and southern Europe, not from other continent > Except for Turkey The mass immigration from Turkey started in the 1960s, well into the modern era. There are plenty of Germans still living today who remember the era when Turks were a rarity in Germany. No doubt there were Turks who settled in Germany, or the countries which would become Germany, well before then, bu…

Ah OK, I had a different definition of "modern times" in mind. But if we use that version, "before modern times" Germany (or its equivalent at the time) was generally a net exporter of emigration.
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