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Germany Opened Its Doors to Migrants. Now It's Struggling to Cope

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Re: Germany Opened Its Doors to Migrants. Now It's Struggling to Cope

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Germany didn't just open its own doors, it opened the door to the whole of the European Union. Shortly afterwards the brexit vote happened. Coincidence?

the irony is that the immigration in UK increased after brexit. source: some random tweet I've seen.

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Germany didn't just open its own doors, it opened the door to the whole of the European Union. Shortly afterwards the brexit vote happened. Coincidence?

It's a coincidence. David Cameron promised the Brexit referendum in 2013: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Brexit And even that was a reaction to UKIP's growing popularity.

Furthermore, the United Kingdom has never been part of the Schengen area and was not immediately impacted anyway.

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What a horrible bad faith article > Germany, which has no history of mass immigration Germany is historically THE mass immigration country - it’s in the middle of Europe between Asia and Africa - this is the no 1 reason why it’s so successful and relevant at all. Germany has profited from getting the cream of the crop in terms of immigrants for centuries. Anyone who thinks this is not an immigration country never pic…

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Re: Germany Opened Its Doors to Migrants. Now It's Struggling to Cope

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Germany didn't just open its own doors, it opened the door to the whole of the European Union. Shortly afterwards the brexit vote happened. Coincidence?

Brexit happened because the racists thought EU was stealing their money. in reality its the other way around. Has the illegal immigration into Britain stopped since Brexit?

Britain is better off with brexit than if it had stayed. People voted for brexit because they wanted to determine their (british) future and not be tied to the eu. Brexit was never delivered as promised because the vote was only given because they thought that it would fail. Immigration (economic migration) again is the fault of the government bowing down to the echr rules that it actually does not need to. Europe is the sinking titanic and the UK lifeboat needs to detatch itself or be dragged down with it.

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Germany didn't just open its own doors, it opened the door to the whole of the European Union. Shortly afterwards the brexit vote happened. Coincidence?

the irony is that the immigration in UK increased after brexit. source: some random tweet I've seen.

Here’s a source with the bias that immigrants prefer Britain over the EU because Britain offers more incentives. And yet, needs more migrants:

> The population growth was driven entirely by net migration because more people died than were born in Britain for the first time in 50 years

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/society/article/immigration-fuel...

Re: Germany Opened Its Doors to Migrants. Now It's Struggling to Cope

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brexit happened because the racists thought EU was stealing their money. in reality its the other way around. Has the illegal immigration into Britain stopped since Brexit?

Britain is better off with brexit than if it had stayed. People voted for brexit because they wanted to determine their (british) future and not be tied to the eu. Brexit was never delivered as promised because the vote was only given because they thought that it would fail. Immigration (economic migration) again is the fault of the government bowing down to the echr rules that it actually does not need to. Europe is…

Absolutely nonsensical, in what way do the way the vote was given impact the outcome?

Economists and analysts at Cambridge Econometrics found that, by 2035, the UK is anticipated to have three million fewer jobs, 32% lower investment, 5% lower exports and 16% lower imports, than it would have had been. The report states that the UK will be £311bn worse off by 2035 due to leaving EU. The UK is not better off with Brexit at all, it is severely hindered by removing itself out of a trading agreement with it's nearest partners. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_effects_of_Brexit)

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post #9

What a horrible bad faith article > Germany, which has no history of mass immigration Germany is historically THE mass immigration country - it’s in the middle of Europe between Asia and Africa - this is the no 1 reason why it’s so successful and relevant at all. Germany has profited from getting the cream of the crop in terms of immigrants for centuries. Anyone who thinks this is not an immigration country never pic…

> it’s in the middle of Europe between Asia and Africa I would say that's a bit of a stretch. It is true Germany has a long history if immigration, but before modern times that was mostly from eastern and southern Europe, not from other continents [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany

Except for Turkey, the no. 1 source of immigration to Germany, which is very much in Asia.

Re: Germany Opened Its Doors to Migrants. Now It's Struggling to Cope

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brexit happened because the racists thought EU was stealing their money. in reality its the other way around. Has the illegal immigration into Britain stopped since Brexit?

Britain is better off with brexit than if it had stayed. People voted for brexit because they wanted to determine their (british) future and not be tied to the eu. Brexit was never delivered as promised because the vote was only given because they thought that it would fail. Immigration (economic migration) again is the fault of the government bowing down to the echr rules that it actually does not need to. Europe is…

Britain is not apart from Europe, the continent. It has, and always will be, deeply connected. Leaving the EU didn't mean it got to sail away to a new place, it just meant no longer having a powerful seat at the table.

Effectively, Britains future is always tied to the EU, as the EUs is tied to Britain. If Europe has a big economic failure then it will drag the UK down regardless of politics. If Europe has a war the UK will not be unaffected. If Europe does well the UK will also do well. Removing yourselves from being part of the decision making for the area that you are part of, especially when you had a great deal of influence, was monumentally stupid.

That all said, I understand why the British people wanted to lash out at the establishment. The problem is that they've been (as have we all, in every country) been manipulated by those who do not have our best interests as a goal. The problems in the UK came from, and could have been solved by, the political and business leaders, regardless of EU membership. They just don't want to.

Re: Germany Opened Its Doors to Migrants. Now It's Struggling to Cope

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https://archive.is/juJ4C "In the U.S., migrants seeking asylum typically receive no federal aid, but they are permitted to work once they submit their applications. In Germany, they aren’t generally allowed to work until they are officially deemed refugees, which can take months or even years. But they are entitled to benefits worth as much as hundreds or thousands of euros a month..."

We have a similar issue in the UK. The government has refused to provide enough resources to process the backlog of asylum applications, so people are left in limbo being housed in hotels with no legal rights to work or anything. It costs way more than just processing their applications and allowing them to work, but the government are too scared of looking 'soft on immigration'. And these hotels are often in poor and disenfranchised communities, so people understandably ask "why are they getting hotels paid for by the government when we have such a lack of social housing?". It just creates more tension and doesn't help anyone.

It's also important to separate the different kinds of immigration. Refugees are a very different category from other migrants, because we have international obligations to grant them asylum in legitimate cases. So lumping them all under the banner of 'immigration' isn't really helpful.

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