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How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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> China has been engaged in a massive military build-up for many years now - and there is on the face of it no reason for that at all, because China is threatened by precisely no-one. Do you realize the US is in the same position? The US has no credible threats to its territory anywhere. However it has the most massive military in the world and it is spread to every single continent. I would suggest that's exactly th…

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How does it work in US, you just look at the guy and then he sends you his IBAN? Aren’t companies required to establish an employee’s origin by bureaucratic means? IDs, SSNs, notarized copies, work permit, etc? Why are North Korean guys even a problem, it feels like they shouldn’t be able to fake identification numbers and permits, unless something is fundamentally wrong with the country’s accounting.

Experian was hacked and 168 million Americans had all of lives information stolen - the data that is supposed to verify who I am and tracks all of my financial life, everywhere I've ever lived and of course my social security number. Not one thing to fix this was done. Anyone could buy my information and be me, NOTHING was done to fix this insanely huge problem.

America cares very little about actual security beyond military nukes.

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This bc we now realize that China is screwed in the future - the Chinese population will be well under a billion people by 2100 - long before then the only thing their society will be able to do is deal with the problems that come from dropping 500 million people.

This is all bc of the 1 Child policy and it cannot be easily fixed - if it can be fixed at all.

China can only take Taiwan with the Millennials or Gen Z generations - Xi Jinping knows this and wants Taiwan to be part of his legacy.

Now is the best time to do this if they are ever going to. I've long been saying that it Trump is reelected that they will invade that January he takes office.

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Just curious, do you apply this same logic to US government and history? What kind of evils get prescribed to the so called democratic land of the free?

This is a total non sequitur. It's implying that you can't criticize ANY corrupt government without first criticizing all of them.

you think it's a total non sequitur but im just asking what i think is a simple question: whether that logic is applied fairly and accurately within the context of being a world superpower. otherwise you just end up potentially looking like a hardline racist parrot to some readers.

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In the past 40 years how many countries has the US invaded and how many has China?

That is the US role in the world - we are the Hegemon, it is what we must do to remain the Hegemon. China wants to be the Hegemon but they can't get there as long as we are.

China wants to change the entire ordering of the world - that is a much bigger deal than the US invading Iraq or Afghanistan.

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This bc we now realize that China is screwed in the future - the Chinese population will be well under a billion people by 2100 - long before then the only thing their society will be able to do is deal with the problems that come from dropping 500 million people. This is all bc of the 1 Child policy and it cannot be easily fixed - if it can be fixed at all. China can only take Taiwan with the Millennials or Gen Z ge…

I hope you are wrong, but the Russian invasion of the Ukraine might support your view.

Russians have a terrible low fertility, integrating the Ukraine into Russia might have been a last shot at staying the ethnic majority in the country.

Update: Ih had stetes wrong numbers of the composition of the Russian population before, claiming that only 40 million of russias inhabitants were ethnic Russians.

The concern with shifting ethnic composition might be true never the less: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/russia-tomorr...

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Just curious, do you apply this same logic to US government and history? What kind of evils get prescribed to the so called democratic land of the free?

I don't apply the same logic to any country's history. It wouldn't make sense to hold modern China accountable for the Qing, or the civil war, or the Cultural Revolution. Like the original commenter, my biggest concern by far with the Chinese government is their repeated public statements that they plan to violently conquer a neighboring country and integrate it into their own. The US has undertaken a lot of military adventures I don't agree with in the past few decades, but annexation is a red line that almost every country in the world agrees to and respects.

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Except, there were communist infiltration plans in the 1950s. The same as theres coordinated russian plans supporting conservative nationalists.

If you want rational protectionism, America would need to stop treating businesses as the unit of concern and enact stronger worker privacy and consumer protections.

The same way CIA backdoors are intrinsic unsafe, so are lax employee and consumer protections.

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