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#331
I'll add my sob story to the pile for the sake of a data point. Warning this story contains racial identity.

White male, 10 yoe, worked at FAANG and many more. I was laid off and remained unemployed for over a year. I only have my new job thanks to nepotism - or referral, if you prefer to be politically correct.

2021 - I land a new job as a senior dev at a startup with a huge salary (200k) thanks to the hiring surge. Things are good, we're all getting along, but my Indian male tech lead confides in me that he's upset that I'm paid as much as he is - he's been with the company longer, and he implies that he works harder. I encourage him to pursue a raise with management, but we maintain a good relationship, I would say friends even.

Fast forward 2 years - My skills are generally recognized by everyone, from peers, to the engineering director, even the VP - everyone has seen what I can do, and they trust and respect me to do good work. Then one day, things aren't so good - I have some home life drama and I drop the ball at work. Meanwhile, my tech lead is stressed out for his own reasons, but its a perfect storm and things boil over. He writes a lengthy (angry) email complaining to management about me, tearing me to shreds. I'm stunned and try to defend myself, some people go to bat for me, but its Dec 2022 and that email puts me on the short list when the layoff wave strikes - I'm out of work.

Its months of grinding and interviewing - I finally get an offer but my mental health is in a bad place so I turn it down. I'm still feeling raw and betrayed and I'm just wondering what the fuck is the point of it all. I take some more time, then start interviewing again, but things go from bad to worse in the job market. I succeed in a couple of on-sites but still lose out to other candidates. By a stroke of luck, I connect with an old acquaintance who was willing to advocate for me and get my resume to the top of the pile. I do the whole song and dance and land the job - that brings me to today.

The whole experience has left me with a bitter and jaded opinion of this industry, and work in general. I now consider this industry a joke. I don't enjoy programming anymore, I don't think there are any tech products that make the world a better place - any that were decent continue to enshitify - and to be honest I'm wary of non-americans going out of there way to undermine me - likely fueled by their own fears and anxiety of winding up in the same position, but with more to lose. Nonetheless, I wasn't aware that they harbored such resentment against americans, and I won't be forgetting it anytime soon.

And congrats to CEOs who once again have us fighting amongst ourselves - you've made the world a worse place and got rich doing it. Great job.

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

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I think you might be confused about who your real enemy is. It is not the Danes

Strawman. I never claimed the Danes to be my enemy, that was a hypothetical presented by the person I was responding to. I am anti-globalization.

> I am anti-globalization

Yes. You are confused about who you are at risk from

It is Americans who have it in for you. Fortress America will crater your life, your career, everything

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Hiring a lot in Poland and from what I know paying peanuts compared to US salaries, but still above the market rate in Europe, mainly because market rate for engineers in EU is nothing to write home about. It sucks for you guys, but its just the new reality. Engineering is dead end career unless you are top 10%, move on to management, or money doesnt play a role, but at that point you might as well go duck farming or…

It turns out that work-remotely can be done by non-US based workers for a fraction of the cost of US workers. So those lobbying for work-from-home, well, this is the natural endpoint of that.

But these are not remote positions

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#334

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If a company is operating in a foreign nation sure. If a company is operating in America on American soil and refusing to hire Americans because they want to save a buck, they should face penalties. I do not see hiring foreigners as being pro-American.

Then make this choice when you own a company. What % of your paycheck are you willing to donate to being pro America?

Logically you should pay taxes on the money earned from American customers at American rates to the American government.

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Remember that two things have changed the employment landscape: - the end of zero interest rate policies mean that investments in projects can’t show a return “someday” but actually have to show some benefit on a reasonable timeline, say 2-3 years. Gone are the days when hiring armies of warm bloodies and having them work on “moon shots”. - the expiration of the tax write off for programmer salaries when developing a…

I fear end of ZIRP has even worst implications. I’ve got a feeling it’s not just the tech job market that is bad, but the tech industry as a whole was too circular, doing B2B with other tech companies (maybe there is a better word?) all fueled by free money and the house of cards crumbled.

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> Then make this choice when you own a company Absolutely I would. > What % of your paycheck are you willing to donate to being pro America? This is a tu quoque logical fallacy. I'll cross that bridge if and when I come to it, but I can tell you that I'd rather take a pay cut than hire a foreigner.

Great! Then I encourage you to do so. And then after you do, we can come back and you can tell us how company X should do Y. Otherwise you are just sitting there complaining when you would likely do the same thing given the same choices.

Sure fund me and let's see what happens.

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

#337

> most of them claim to be white males There’s really no need to call this out repeatedly as if something sinister is happening. Despite ongoing efforts, the overwhelming majority of tech workers are… white males. So yes, the largest number of voices complaining about joblessness are unsurprisingly going to be white males.

Two things can be true at once. We have a workforce that is mostly white males in a majority-white country and we also have credible reports of anti-white bias in hiring, which is illegal and racist. If people feel that employers who explicitly say they want to hire non-whites ONLY in violation of the law are in fact doing that, why do you feel the need to chime in with attacks on the victims?

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The irony is palpable. For many years, FAANGs and the likes have made billions across the world without hiring any significant amount of people in nearly all of those economies. Zero profit for the non-US countries. Take a random one, Denmark. Google and Apple sure have been making great money off of the Danes. What has Denmark gotten in return for it? Nothing. It's all gone towards (generally US) investor returns, a…

Google has an office in Copenhagen. They also have a data center. Apple has an office in Copenhagen.

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#339
I’m approaching a year of unemployment, although I took a deliberate four month break. Don’t have a CS degree but am a CPA. Have been primarily targeting accounting and fintech companies, but I’m getting passed up for software engineers with zero accounting knowledge but much more dev experience. It’s been tough, but I’m hoping it will get better in January. I have to at least hope because I really need to get a job ASAP.

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

#340

> most of them claim to be white males There’s really no need to call this out repeatedly as if something sinister is happening. Despite ongoing efforts, the overwhelming majority of tech workers are… white males. So yes, the largest number of voices complaining about joblessness are unsurprisingly going to be white males.

Nah, there’s definitely racism from asian hiring managers.

It’s not totally unexpected, though. Unlike us white males, most of them haven’t been trained from birth to not prefer candidates that look like them.

If you disagree though, I challenge you to go on linkedin and randomly choose 10 asian hiring managers from tech companies and then the demographics of the people who work for them.

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