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Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

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I think your categories ('white male', 'Indian', ...) are a form of racism already. I mean, there are other categories you can use. Outsourcing, offshoring, and nearshoring all describe something similar (cutting costs by replacing the workforce) but do not categorize humans based on racial factors. I understand this is not the core of your question, but I did not want to leave it uncommented because I think it is in…

I can tell you anecdotally that I was treated differently for being a white male when interviewing with at a large tech company. I passed the interviews but had to wait two weeks as they interviewed “diverse candidates” to see if they could take the job instead of me.

They ended up offering me the job but I took a position elsewhere where the company didn’t treat me like a second class citizen.

Im pretty sure what they did was illegal according to the laws in this country, but Im not going to waste my time fighting it.

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

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I could see outsourcing to Poland end up working out just as great as outsourcing to Ukraine did. Not saying it will happen tomorrow, but would not surprise me to see Russia go in there after they get a big chunk of Ukraine and slowly gain control of it's government.

At this point we all would have much worse things to worry about. Poland is a part of NATO.

A) Trump is president and he has made it clear the US will be taking a backseat on NATO in Europe.

B) Even the polish government thinks this more than possible. They instituted mandatory weapons training for all teenage school kids recently.

I would say it has never been more probable than anytime since the last time Russia invaded Poland in WW2.

These companies outsourcing there have got some serious wishful thinking going on. They are right next door to a madman who uses nuclear material to poison his enemies anywhere in the world.

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

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Under capitalism, a private company has duties to shareholders first. If you want companies has duties to their host country first, there are other social systems for that. Perhaps fascism.

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Yes, you would. And I would prefer to eradicate all damned fascists out of the world, like we did in 1945. We are not the same.

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

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I think it suks that your job got lost to a foreign worker. It's certainly no consolation that you are merely the latest casualty of globalization, along with your US manufacturing workers.

I say that sincerely- losing your job suks.

Of course the root of the problem, for you and steel workers, US that American consumers care more about money than where something is sourced. They buy the cheapest car, cheapest steel, cheapest computer etc. So to survive companies have to reduce costs, which inevitably means off-shoring.

Tarifs are a solution, but are simpler to do on physical imports than on remote labor. Basically though they help by driving up local prices, allowing say American Steel to compete.

Yes, prices going up (inflation) is a side effect, and yes salaries have to remain fixed (else the import is still cheaper) so disposal income, and hence standard of living have to come down. That's a feature not a bug.

Alternatively taxes could be slashed, requiring massive reductions on spending on military, social security and Medicare. That would mean some job losses in the military-industrial sector, but frankly that's probably a good thing.

Social Security and Medicare are unpopular to cut, but its easily done, and a necessity to make significant cuts. I think the electorate has given a mandate to the govt to do this, do I expect they'll do it. (Trump campaigned on this, so its pretty much what people clearly want.)

I know attempts at American isolationist policies have not worked in the past, but I expect it'll be different this time.

The alternative to this approach would be higher taxes on companies and the mega rich - along with reduced military spending and increases to the social security net. That's the route most of the other countries took, but how many billionaires can Poland boast?

Sure they're sucking up programmer jobs, but there aren't too many companies complaining about that.

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

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Germany is facing more intense economic challenges than most.

Can someone explain why this is getting down votes? AFAIK it's true and relevant

Probably because Germany’s standard of living is still comparatively high.

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

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Hiring a lot in Poland and from what I know paying peanuts compared to US salaries, but still above the market rate in Europe, mainly because market rate for engineers in EU is nothing to write home about. It sucks for you guys, but its just the new reality. Engineering is dead end career unless you are top 10%, move on to management, or money doesnt play a role, but at that point you might as well go duck farming or…

It turns out that work-remotely can be done by non-US based workers for a fraction of the cost of US workers. So those lobbying for work-from-home, well, this is the natural endpoint of that.

They would’ve outsourced regardless of remote or not. It’s all about cost. Employers are hedging after they felt they lost control during the “Great Resignation” and the labor cost pressures they faced from it. Remote also makes it too easy for workers to find other opportunities, versus being restricted to opportunities within a commute distance. Unless it’s offshore remote of course.

This is not without peril due to structural demographics. You can only outsource so much.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/hard-to-find-a-job-... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42361817

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Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

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I haven't been able to get a job since the pandemic. The problem is that I work best as a lone wolf, and that's not how software is done nowadays. For good reason, I might add, so I am not complaining. Don't make my mistake and learn your soft skills. https://gavinhoward.com/2024/06/my-programming-journey/

Thank-you. Also found your article on C and discipline helpful:

https://gavinhoward.com/2023/02/why-i-use-c-when-i-believe-i...

If I could go back, I would have started working in C and building (reinventing) all the other ideas. Building your own language and compiler surely is the just fruits of an earnest programming life.

It's not unlike plain Javascript where code patterns become the unit of work [1][2], where keywords in other languages would otherwise suffice.

The shelves have books on C and Deitel, hacking, drawing, and architecture too. I hope some of them sort of combine. I don't know the recipe to bring about a kernel hacker, but hope it can all be absorbed in a decade or two.

[1] Reliable Javascript (2015)

[2] Javascript Patterns (2010)

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

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post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point we all would have much worse things to worry about. Poland is a part of NATO.

A) Trump is president and he has made it clear the US will be taking a backseat on NATO in Europe. B) Even the polish government thinks this more than possible. They instituted mandatory weapons training for all teenage school kids recently. I would say it has never been more probable than anytime since the last time Russia invaded Poland in WW2. These companies outsourcing there have got some serious wishful thinkin…

They brought back the weapons training program they had in communist times which is just weapons assembly and disassembly. They don't even shoot them which seems like it misses the point the firearms.

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

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Low pay offers. In Montreal there are plenty of offers paying ~90k CAD/year ( 62k USD/year ) for 15+ years of experience. There are lot of job listings in Montreal, and those positions are real. Problem is that the pay makes those positions undesirable. The second problem is that no one hires junior developers. My friend's kid finishing CS studies in May 2025 and prospect for jobs are not good.

One problem with hiring juniors (from an employer perspective) is that they take a while to get trained up, then leave after 1-3 years, meaning that they require investment which never gets paid back. You can argue that the company should give them raises to keep them, but it goes against the zeitgeist (so it’s tough), and also means that there’s no advantage to hiring juniors. This seems like a stable (though undesi…

It’s not just the zeitgeist. It’s problematic when relatively junior employees start to overtake more senior employees on salary (because word will go around). And raising everyone’s salaries often isn’t an option either, obviously.

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

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> most of them claim to be white males

There’s really no need to call this out repeatedly as if something sinister is happening. Despite ongoing efforts, the overwhelming majority of tech workers are… white males. So yes, the largest number of voices complaining about joblessness are unsurprisingly going to be white males.

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