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VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by remarkEon »

NewJazz wrote: post #115
cherryteastain wrote: post #97

We need a way to disable vehicle telemetry. No, a software switch is not enough. We need to be able to physically unplug the cellular modem entirely and have the vehicle work with 100% functionality (barring features which inherently require cellular connectivity like turning the heating on remotely) Car manufacturers' features are mostly useless anyway thanks to Android Auto/Apple CarPlay

Instead, US senators will rail about the security risk of Chinese vehicles while refusing to provide competitive alternatives.

What do Chinese vehicles have to do with this, or the ability of US Senators to "provide" alternatives? Sorry wasn't aware that the Ford family has someone in the US Senate.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by NewJazz »

remarkEon wrote: post #201
NewJazz wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead, US senators will rail about the security risk of Chinese vehicles while refusing to provide competitive alternatives.

What do Chinese vehicles have to do with this, or the ability of US Senators to "provide" alternatives? Sorry wasn't aware that the Ford family has someone in the US Senate.

If the US Senate can't effectively set industrial policy, then they don't deserve to call themselves oligarchs.

They can and do though, and they are.

https://www.peters.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/senato...

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by donquichotte »

cherryteastain wrote: post #97

We need a way to disable vehicle telemetry. No, a software switch is not enough. We need to be able to physically unplug the cellular modem entirely and have the vehicle work with 100% functionality (barring features which inherently require cellular connectivity like turning the heating on remotely) Car manufacturers' features are mostly useless anyway thanks to Android Auto/Apple CarPlay

In Europe, this is mandated by law.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by rurban »

a3w wrote: post #89

Best of from 38th CCC: every three letter secret service of the country seems to be spyied out by this. And a secret VW testing facility in sweden was uncovered. Also, effects mostly EVs, but not only. (If the EV motor was the group usually logged to the opened AWS bucket, I don't understand how there were ICE or possibly hybrid cars involved in the leak.) https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/ had a german language vi…

https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/relive/598 is the recording

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by [deleted] »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #83
grecy wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There will always be contrived bogeyman edge cases to scare us from doing something. The only question that matters is would it result in fewer road deaths? I bet the answer is yes. In the US every single day 100 families are torn apart by a death on the road. I’m sure you don’t want it to be yours.

That’s a “think of the children” type of an argument. Remind me: how many people die because of guns every day in the US? On a serious note, how many of those road accidents are caused by exceeding the speed by less than 10%? You see, there is a difference between speeding and reckless driving. Neither you nor me live in the US. They have other options to reduce those deaths. There’s no reason to drive a 4 ton EV tru…

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Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by remarkEon »

NewJazz wrote: post #202
remarkEon wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do Chinese vehicles have to do with this, or the ability of US Senators to "provide" alternatives? Sorry wasn't aware that the Ford family has someone in the US Senate.

If the US Senate can't effectively set industrial policy, then they don't deserve to call themselves oligarchs. They can and do though, and they are. https://www.peters.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/senato...

Okay fair enough, I didn't realize that that's what you meant. I agree, there should be a more coherent industrial policy that's nested with some specific national objectives. I too am very concerned about the lack of industrial capacity in this country. Feels like the lead up to WWI, in many ways.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by leobg »

grecy wrote: post #82
leobg wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dangerous as hell. Imagine there’s a runaway truck behind you and you can’t speed up to avoid or at least soften the collision because of some government enforced handicap. It would also give local governments a power they never had before: To directly control your behavior in the moment, with no judicial control or oversight. No, thank you.

There will always be contrived bogeyman edge cases to scare us from doing something. The only question that matters is would it result in fewer road deaths? I bet the answer is yes. In the US every single day 100 families are torn apart by a death on the road. I’m sure you don’t want it to be yours.

I don’t care about this particular edge case. The idea of being remote controlled by buerocrats is appalling to me.

I live in Europe. Regulations here make Teslas slam on the brakes when the road is curved by more than x degrees, and break off a lane change apruptly if they take longer than x seconds. The intentions behind these rules written by some buerocrat in Brussels surely were as good as those behind the cookie banner.

I’m glad I still get to override those rules with my pedals and steering wheel.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by schobi »

mulmen wrote: post #159
a3w wrote: post #89

Best of from 38th CCC: every three letter secret service of the country seems to be spyied out by this. And a secret VW testing facility in sweden was uncovered. Also, effects mostly EVs, but not only. (If the EV motor was the group usually logged to the opened AWS bucket, I don't understand how there were ICE or possibly hybrid cars involved in the leak.) https://streaming.media.ccc.de/38c3/ had a german language vi…

> Also, effects mostly EVs, but not only. (If the EV motor was the group usually logged to the opened AWS bucket, I don't understand how there were ICE or possibly hybrid cars involved in the leak.) I can't parse this. Is there a missing word? Mostly implies other possible inputs but the last part of that sentence specifically says this is confusing. Why is it hard to understand how ICE or Hybrid groups also had acce…

What I understand from the presentation

Many Volkswagen cars somehow report telemetry. Looks like there is data not only from the EVs based on the MEB plattform? But for a Name/email to be associated with the VIN of the car, the owner has to register and use the app (once). Many EV owners did, but fewer of the non EVs did.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by Vinnl »

jmward01 wrote: post #125

The answer is simple: No matter the reason, if you have a data breach you must pay each person 100$ min with higher amounts depending on the information lost. Additionally, if that information is used in a crime then you are liable for further damages. Car companies, and other data vacuums, will just stop collecting it if they are liable for what happens to it. I will not buy a car that does this. I am starting to tu…

> I will not buy a car that does this.

Unfortunately it looks like that might be pretty hard:

https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/article...

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