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More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD

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Nobody has a right to be published.

Then what is freedom of speech if every plattform deletes your content? Does it even exist? Facebook and co. are so ubiquitous, we shouldn't just apply normal laws to them. They are bigger than governments.

The government is not obligated to publish your speech. They just can't punish you for it (unless you cross a few fairly well-defined lines).

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A return to less centralized web publishing would also be bad for the many creators who lack the technical expertise or interest to jump through all the hoops required for building and hosting your own website. Maybe this seems like a pretty small friction to the median HN user, but I don't think it's true for creators in general, as evidenced by the enormous increase in both the number and sophistication of online c…

Content hosting for creators can be commoditized. Content discovery may even be able to remain centralized. No idea if there's a way for it to work out economically without ads, but ads are also unhealthy so maybe that's ok.

Introducing a free unlimited hosting service where you could only upload pictures, text or video. There’s a public page to see that content among adds and links to you friends free hosting service pages. TOS is a give-give: you give them the right to extract all the aggregated stat they want and display the adds, they give you the service for free so you own you content (and are legally responsible of it)

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Someone has to do it is a strong claim. We could not have the services that require it instead.

Absolutely. The platforms could reasonably easy stop allowing anonymous accounts. They don’t because more users means more money.

Not what I was saying. I'm questioning the need for the thing entirely.

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Than killing with bare hands or a rock, which I believe is still pretty uncommon in schools.

GP didn't talk about killing

Render unrecognizable? Yeah, I guess that could be survivable, but it's definitely lethal intent.

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Nobody has a right to be published.

Then what is freedom of speech if every plattform deletes your content? Does it even exist? Facebook and co. are so ubiquitous, we shouldn't just apply normal laws to them. They are bigger than governments.

> Then what is freedom of speech if every platform deletes your content?

Freedom of speech is between you and the government and not you and a private company.

As the saying goes, if don't like your speach I can tell you to leave my home, that's not censorship, that's how freedom works.

If I don't like your speach, I can tell yo to leave my property. Physical or virtual.

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Paying local market rates is not exploitative.

Artificially creating local market rates by trapping people is.

In what sense were these local rates "created artificially"? Are you suggesting that these people are being forced to work agaisnt their will?

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I'm wondering if there are precedents in other domains. There are other jobs where you do see disturbing things as part of your duty. E.g. doctors, cops, first responders, prison guards and so on... What makes moderation different? and how should it be handled so that it reduces harm and risks? surely banning social media or not moderating content aren't options. AI helps to some extent but doesn't solve the issue en…

As other sibling comments noted: most other jobs don't have the same frequent exposure to disturbing content. The closest are perhaps combat medics in an active warzone, but even they usually get some respite by being rotated.

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> but where do you draw the line? How about grouping the jobs into two categories: A) Causes PTSD and B) Doesn't cause PTSD If a job as a constantly high percentage of people ending up with PTSD, then they aren't equipped well enough to handle it, by the company who employs them.

What could a company provide a police officer with to prevent PTSD from witnessing a brutal child abuse case? A number of sources i found estimate the top of the range to be ~30% of police officers may be suffering from it [1] https://www.policepac.org/uploads/1/2/3/0/123060500/the_effe...

You can’t prevent it but you can help deal with it later.

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Scaling an army of rock swingers is a lot more work than giving one person an AK47 (when all who would oppose them have rocks). (Thankfully in the US we worship the 2A and its most twisted interpretation. So our toddlers do shooter drills. /s)

You are discounting the complexity of the logistics required for an AK47 army. You need ammo, spare parts, lubricant and cleaning tools. You need a factory to build the weapon, and churn out ammunition. Or, gather a group of people, tell them to find a rock, and go bash the other sides head.

Complexity of logistics applies to any large army. The single biggest limiting factor for most of history has been the need to either carry your own food, or find it in the field. This is why large-scale military violence requires states.

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I worked at FB for almost 2 years. (I left as soon as I could, I knew it wasn't a good fit for me.) I had an Uber from the campus one day, and my driver, a twenty-something girl, was asking how to become a moderator. I told her, "no amount of money would be enough for me to do that job. Don't do it." I don't know if she eventually got the job, but I hope she didn't.

Yes, these jobs are horrible. However, I do know from accidently encountering bad stuff on the internet that you want to be as far away from a modern battlefield as possible. It's just kind of ridiculous how people think war is like Call of Duty. One minute you're sitting in a trench, the next you're a pile of undifferentiated blood and guts. Same goes for car accidents and stuff. People really underestimate how frag…

Normal does not exist - it’s just the setting on your washing machine.
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