I'm curious about the contents that these people moderated. What is it that seeing it fucks people up?
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More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD
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#82it's kinda crazy that they have normies doing this job
Normies? As opposed to who?
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#83Perhaps if looking at pictures of disturbing things on the internet gives you PTSD than this isn’t the kind of job for you? Not everyone can be a forensic investigator or coroner, too. I know lots of people who can and do look at horrible pictures on the internet and have been doing so for 20+ years with no ill effects.
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You’re very wrong, it can be caused by different things to different people- as the causes are emotional it requires severe emotional trauma, which does not have to happen through a specific category of event- a lot of different types of trauma and abuse can cause it. It’s hard to imagine a more disgusting thought process than someone trying to gatekeep others suffering like you are doing here.
You were literally gatekeeping ptsd from Christian mom's not one post ago.
HN ethos is to assume good faith, but my imagination is failing me here as to how you might be sincere and not trolling- can you please share more info to help me out?
What makes you think people have experienced clinically diagnosed or diagnosable PTSD from seeing someone kiss? Has anyone actually claimed that?
You used the word outrage, and again outrage is not trauma- it describes an outer reaction, not an inner experience. They’re neither mutually exclusive nor synonymous.
Your assertion seems to be that only being physically present for a horrific event can be emotionally traumatic- that spending years sitting in a room watching media of children being brutally murdered and raped day in and day out is not possibly traumatic, but watching someone kiss that you politically think should be banned from doing so, can be genuinely traumatic?
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PTSD is what happens when you see someone standing next to you reduced to a chunky red salsa in a split second. The idea that seeing images of that can match the real thing can only be said by people who haven't smelled the results.
You’re very wrong, it can be caused by different things to different people- as the causes are emotional it requires severe emotional trauma, which does not have to happen through a specific category of event- a lot of different types of trauma and abuse can cause it. It’s hard to imagine a more disgusting thought process than someone trying to gatekeep others suffering like you are doing here.
actually, not everybody gets PTSD in for example a combat situation, and Gabor Mate says that people who do develop PTSD are the people who have already suffered traumas as children; in a sense, childhood trauma is a preexisting condition.
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#86One of few fields where AI is very welcome
No, this just leads to more censorship without any option to appeal.
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#87I worked at FB for almost 2 years. (I left as soon as I could, I knew it wasn't a good fit for me.) I had an Uber from the campus one day, and my driver, a twenty-something girl, was asking how to become a moderator. I told her, "no amount of money would be enough for me to do that job. Don't do it." I don't know if she eventually got the job, but I hope she didn't.
Yes, these jobs are horrible. However, I do know from accidently encountering bad stuff on the internet that you want to be as far away from a modern battlefield as possible. It's just kind of ridiculous how people think war is like Call of Duty. One minute you're sitting in a trench, the next you're a pile of undifferentiated blood and guts. Same goes for car accidents and stuff. People really underestimate how frag…
It's not that we're particularly fragile, given the kind of physical trauma human beings can survive and recover from.
It's that we have technologically engineered things that are destructive enough to get even past that threshold. Modern warfare in particular is insanely energetic in the most literal, physical way - when you measure the energy output of weapons in joules. Partly because we're just that good at making things explode, and partly because improvements in metallurgy and electronics made it possible over time to locate targets with extreme precision in real time and then concentrate a lot of firepower directly on them. This, in particular, is why the most intense battlefields in Ukraine often look worse than WW1 and WW2 battles of similar intensity (e.g. Mariupol had more buildings destroyed than Stalingrad).
But even our small arms deliver much more energy to the target than their historical equivalents. Bows and arrows pack ~150 J at close range, rapidly diminishing with distance. Crossbows can increase this to ~400 J. For comparison, an AK-47 firing standard issue military ammo is ~2000 J.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
You were literally gatekeeping ptsd from Christian mom's not one post ago.
HN ethos is to assume good faith, but my imagination is failing me here as to how you might be sincere and not trolling- can you please share more info to help me out? What makes you think people have experienced clinically diagnosed or diagnosable PTSD from seeing someone kiss? Has anyone actually claimed that? You used the word outrage, and again outrage is not trauma- it describes an outer reaction, not an inner e…
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Re: More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators sue after diagnoses of PTSD
#89I worked at FB for almost 2 years. (I left as soon as I could, I knew it wasn't a good fit for me.) I had an Uber from the campus one day, and my driver, a twenty-something girl, was asking how to become a moderator. I told her, "no amount of money would be enough for me to do that job. Don't do it." I don't know if she eventually got the job, but I hope she didn't.
Yes, these jobs are horrible. However, I do know from accidently encountering bad stuff on the internet that you want to be as far away from a modern battlefield as possible. It's just kind of ridiculous how people think war is like Call of Duty. One minute you're sitting in a trench, the next you're a pile of undifferentiated blood and guts. Same goes for car accidents and stuff. People really underestimate how frag…
Watching someone you love die of cancer is also super damaging to one's concept of normal life. Getting a diagnosis, or being in a bad car accident, or the victim of a violent assault is, too. I think a personal sense of normality is nothing more than the state of mind where we can blissfully (and temporarily) forget about our own mortality. Obviously, marinating yourself in all the horrible stuff makes it really hard to maintain that state of mind.
On the other hand, never seeing or reckoning with or preparing for how brutal reality actually is can lead to a pretty bad shock once something bad happens around you. And maybe worse, can lead you to under-appreciate how fantastic and beautiful the quotidian moments of your normal life actually are. I think it's important to develop a concept of normal life that doesn't completely ignore that really bad things happen all around us, all the time.