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#123It is hard to believe that NSO group is allowed to operate.
They sell technology to horrible places, they cause death
torture, and a host of less horrible things.
Yet they are protected by the US and Israel, which I believe is the case that they have backdoors into all of it, and getting the targets to actually install this malware on their own saves a lot time.
All good, except for the actual real world victims.
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#124Treating NSO owners / decision makers the same way as Gary McKinnon would be more appropriate. But I guess they are more "equal".
Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp
#125It is hard to believe that NSO group is allowed to operate. They sell technology to horrible places, they cause death torture, and a host of less horrible things. Yet they are protected by the US and Israel, which I believe is the case that they have backdoors into all of it, and getting the targets to actually install this malware on their own saves a lot time. All good, except for the actual real world victims.
> It is hard to believe that NSO group is allowed to operate. They sell technology to horrible places, they cause death torture, and a host of less horrible things.
That describes the entire Israeli defence industry, and a fair sized portion of Israel's cybersecurity industry, based on the stomach-churning sales pitches I've received.
NSO are not unique, they just got unlucky.
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#126Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp
#127NSO Group: Relationship with the Israeli state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSO_Group#Relationship_with_th...
I'm quite surprised by the corporate history section. Specifically, NSO Group is worth a lot less than I thought it was, even at its peak. ($1B+ valuation) Also, the amount of infighting is... Surprising perhaps? Less surprising is the number of spinoffs out of it, and the number of competing Israeli spyware groups. I'm constantly surprised by how good he Israeli startup environment seems to be. Why is this? How are…
Valuations don’t really matter in their playing field. It’s more about power and politics, rather than raw numbers.
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#128Darknet Diaries did a few podcast episodes on the NSO group from the perspective of people who have directly interacted with or have been the target and it really puts it into perspective how horrific they are. They operate under the protection of the US and are directly allowed to spy on US citizens without any recourse whatsoever.
One particularly grotesque case was the illegal wire tapping of Ben Suda after launching a criminal probe in to Israeli war crimes, which they used to threaten the prosecutor and used it to hide evidence that they knew was under scrutiny or take the cases to court just to drop it so they can tell the ICC that they did make an attempt to prosecute, which is a loophole that disallows the ICC to take up those cases.
I'm certain many countries do this stuff, as well as operate botnets and threaten journalists... but the uniqueness here is that these intel groups located in Israel operate under complete protection of the US without any scrutiny or oversight alongside the US government. We are living in this dystopian universe that people have warned about, for decades at this point.
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#129Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp
#130It is hard to believe that NSO group is allowed to operate. They sell technology to horrible places, they cause death torture, and a host of less horrible things. Yet they are protected by the US and Israel, which I believe is the case that they have backdoors into all of it, and getting the targets to actually install this malware on their own saves a lot time. All good, except for the actual real world victims.
How do you "not" allow them to operate? People write things like this that seem premised on the idea that Bahrain wouldn't have implant technology if you shuttered NSO, but the only thing that would actually change is who the invoice got sent to. These companies have an unbeatable value proposition, lots of competition, and the lowest capital investment requirements of any intelligence product.
I really feel like people aren't thinking this stuff through. Exploits and implants are not rocket science. There aren't a huge number of people in the world that are world-class at reliably exploiting modern targets, but it's not like there's just like 20 of them or something.
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In case it's unclear from the comment: I don't think this is a good thing. I'm speaking positively, not normatively.