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Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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I pay for lots of models, but Claude Sonnet is the one I use most. ChatGPT is my quick tool for short Q&As because it’s got a desktop app. Even Google‘s new offerings did not lure me away from Claude which I use daily for hours via a Teams plan with five seats.

Now I am wondering what Anthropic will come up with. Exciting times.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#282

I pay for lots of models, but Claude Sonnet is the one I use most. ChatGPT is my quick tool for short Q&As because it’s got a desktop app. Even Google‘s new offerings did not lure me away from Claude which I use daily for hours via a Teams plan with five seats. Now I am wondering what Anthropic will come up with. Exciting times.

Claude also has a desktop app: https://support.anthropic.com/en/articles/10065433-installin...

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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The graph seems to indicate a new high in cost per task. It looks like they came in somewhere around $5000/task, but the log scale has too few markers to be sure.

That may be a feature. If AI becomes too cheap, the over-funded AI companies lose value.

(1995 called. It wants its web design back.)

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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Complete aside here: I used to do work with amputees and prosthetics. There is a standardized test (and I just cannot remember the name) that fits in a briefcase. It's used for measuring the level of damage to the upper limbs and for prosthetic grading. Basically, it's got the dumbest and simplest things in it. Stuff like a lock and key, a glass of water and jug, common units of currency, a zipper, etc. It tests if y…

Was it the Southampton hand assessment procedure?

Yes! Thank you!

https://www.shap.ecs.soton.ac.uk/

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#285

Congratulations to Francois Chollet on making the most interesting and challenging LLM benchmark so far. A lot of people have criticized ARC as not being relevant or indicative of true reasoning, but I think it was exactly the right thing. The fact that scaled reasoning models are finally showing progress on ARC proves that what it measures really is relevant and important for reasoning. It's obvious to everyone that…

"The fact that scaled reasoning models are finally showing progress on ARC proves that what it measures really is relevant and important for reasoning."

Not sure I understand how this follows. The fact that a certain type of model does well on a certain benchmark means that the benchmark is relevant for a real-world reasoning? That doesn't make sense.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

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Let me go against some skeptics and explain why I think full o3 is pretty much AGI or at least embodies most essential aspects of AGI. What has been lacking so far in frontier LLMs is the ability to reliably deal with the right level of abstraction for a given problem. Reasoning is useful but often comes out lacking if one cannot reason at the right level of abstraction. (Note that many humans can't either when they…

The problem with ARC is that there are a finite number of heuristics that could be enumerated and trained for, which would give model a substantial leg up on this evaluation, but not be generalized to other domains.

For example, if they produce millions of examples of the type of problems o3 still struggles on, it would probably do better at similar questions.

Perhaps the private data set is different enough that this isn’t a problem, but the ideal situation would be unveiling a truly novel dataset, which it seems like arc aims to do.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#287

Direct quote from the ARC-AGI blog: “SO IS IT AGI? ARC-AGI serves as a critical benchmark for detecting such breakthroughs, highlighting generalization power in a way that saturated or less demanding benchmarks cannot. However, it is important to note that ARC-AGI is not an acid test for AGI – as we've repeated dozens of times this year. It's a research tool designed to focus attention on the most challenging unsolve…

> Also, 1 odd thing I noticed is that the graph in their blog post shows the top 2 scores as “tuned” Something I missed until I scrolled back to the top and reread the page was this > OpenAI's new o3 system - trained on the ARC-AGI-1 Public Training set So yeah, the results were specifically from a version of o3 trained on the public training set Which on the one hand I think is a completely fair thing to do. It's re…

Great catch. Super disappointing that AI companies continue to do things like this. It’s a great result either way but predictably the excitement is focused on the jump from o1, which is now in question.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#288

The graph seems to indicate a new high in cost per task. It looks like they came in somewhere around $5000/task, but the log scale has too few markers to be sure. That may be a feature. If AI becomes too cheap, the over-funded AI companies lose value. (1995 called. It wants its web design back.)

I doubt it. Competitive markets mostly work and inefficiencies are opportunities for other players. And AI is full of glaring inefficiencies.

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#289

Complete aside here: I used to do work with amputees and prosthetics. There is a standardized test (and I just cannot remember the name) that fits in a briefcase. It's used for measuring the level of damage to the upper limbs and for prosthetic grading. Basically, it's got the dumbest and simplest things in it. Stuff like a lock and key, a glass of water and jug, common units of currency, a zipper, etc. It tests if y…

This was actually discovered quite early on in the history of AI:

> Rodney Brooks explains that, according to early AI research, intelligence was "best characterized as the things that highly educated male scientists found challenging", such as chess, symbolic integration, proving mathematical theorems and solving complicated word algebra problems. "The things that children of four or five years could do effortlessly, such as visually distinguishing between a coffee cup and a chair, or walking around on two legs, or finding their way from their bedroom to the living room were not thought of as activities requiring intelligence."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec%27s_paradox

Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB

#290
Many are incorrectly citing 85% as human-level performance.

85% is just the (semi-arbitrary) threshold for the winning the prize.

o3 actually beats the human average by a wide margin: 64.2% for humans vs. 82.8%+ for o3.

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Here's the full breakdown by dataset, since none of the articles make it clear --

Private Eval:

- 85%: threshold for winning the prize [1]

Semi-Private Eval:

- 87.5%: o3 (unlimited compute) [2]

- 75.7%: o3 (limited compute) [2]

Public Eval:

- 91.5%: o3 (unlimited compute) [2]

- 82.8%: o3 (limited compute) [2]

- 64.2%: human average (Mechanical Turk) [1] [3]

Public Training:

- 76.2%: human average (Mechanical Turk) [1] [3]

...

References:

[1] https://arcprize.org/guide

[2] https://arcprize.org/blog/oai-o3-pub-breakthrough

[3] https://arxiv.org/abs/2409.01374

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