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> most of the people training these next-gen AIs are neurodiverse and we are training the AI in our own image Do you have any evidence to support that? It would be fascinating if the field is primarly advancing due to a unique constellation of traits contributed by individuals who, in the past, may not have collaborated so effectively.
OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB
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Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB
#182Efficiency is now key. ~=$3400 per single task to meet human performance on this benchmark is a lot. Also it shows the bullets as "ARC-AGI-TUNED", which makes me think they did some undisclosed amount of fine-tuning (eg. via the API they showed off last week), so even more compute went into this task. We can compare this roughly to a human doing ARC-AGI puzzles, where a human will take (high variance in my subjective…
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#183“SO IS IT AGI?
ARC-AGI serves as a critical benchmark for detecting such breakthroughs, highlighting generalization power in a way that saturated or less demanding benchmarks cannot. However, it is important to note that ARC-AGI is not an acid test for AGI – as we've repeated dozens of times this year. It's a research tool designed to focus attention on the most challenging unsolved problems in AI, a role it has fulfilled well over the past five years.
Passing ARC-AGI does not equate achieving AGI, and, as a matter of fact, I don't think o3 is AGI yet. o3 still fails on some very easy tasks, indicating fundamental differences with human intelligence.
Furthermore, early data points suggest that the upcoming ARC-AGI-2 benchmark will still pose a significant challenge to o3, potentially reducing its score to under 30% even at high compute (while a smart human would still be able to score over 95% with no training). This demonstrates the continued possibility of creating challenging, unsaturated benchmarks without having to rely on expert domain knowledge. You'll know AGI is here when the exercise of creating tasks that are easy for regular humans but hard for AI becomes simply impossible.”
The high compute variant sounds like it costed around *$350,000* which is kinda wild. Lol the blog post specifically mentioned how OpenAPI asked ARC-AGI to not disclose the exact cost for the high compute version.
Also, 1 odd thing I noticed is that the graph in their blog post shows the top 2 scores as “tuned” (this was not displayed in the live demo graph). This suggest in those cases that the model was trained to better handle these types of questions, so I do wonder about data / answer contamination in those cases…
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#184Human performance is 85% [1]. o3 high gets 87.5%. This means we have an algorithm to get to human level performance on this task. If you think this task is an eval of general reasoning ability, we have an algorithm for that now. There's a lot of work ahead to generalize o3 performance to all domains. I think this explains why many researchers feel AGI is within reach, now that we have an algorithm that works. Congrat…
NNs are not algorithms.
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#185It sucks that I would love to be excited about this... but I mostly feel anxiety and sadness.
Humanity is about to enter an even steeper hockey stick growth curve. Progressing along the Kardashev scale feels all but inevitable. We will live to see Longevity Escape Velocity. I'm fucking pumped and feel thrilled and excited and proud of our species. Sure, there will be growing pains, friction, etc. Who cares? There always is with world-changing tech. Always.
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#186Is it just me or does looking at the ARC-AGI example questions at the bottom... make your brain hurt?
What took me longer was figuring out how the question was arranged, i.e. left input, right output, 3 examples each
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#187Let me go against some skeptics and explain why I think full o3 is pretty much AGI or at least embodies most essential aspects of AGI. What has been lacking so far in frontier LLMs is the ability to reliably deal with the right level of abstraction for a given problem. Reasoning is useful but often comes out lacking if one cannot reason at the right level of abstraction. (Note that many humans can't either when they…
The article notes, "o3 still fails on some very easy tasks". What explains these failures if o3 can solve "any problem" at the human level? Do these failed cases require some essential knowledge that has eluded the massive OpenAI training set?
Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB
#188Let me go against some skeptics and explain why I think full o3 is pretty much AGI or at least embodies most essential aspects of AGI. What has been lacking so far in frontier LLMs is the ability to reliably deal with the right level of abstraction for a given problem. Reasoning is useful but often comes out lacking if one cannot reason at the right level of abstraction. (Note that many humans can't either when they…
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#189Re: OpenAI O3 breakthrough high score on ARC-AGI-PUB
#190How much longer can I get paid $150k to write code ?
Frontier expert specialist programmers will always be in demand. Generalist junior and senior engineers will need to think of a different career path in less than 5 years as more layoffs will reduce the software engineering workforce. It looks like it may be the way things are if progress in the o1, o3, oN models and other LLMs continues on.