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Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by gottorf »

serf wrote: post #345
happyopossum wrote: post #326

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Move, or elect better local politicians. Your city is broken.

we can't all live in Bedford Falls, and the police aren't there for the benefit of the every-person no matter where you live. it's a nice bit of propaganda that they're there for us, but I urge anyone with that idea to seek out and research the history and origins of the modern police. hint : in the US they first emerged as 'slave patrols', and then later modernized into 'industrial labor controls', and things weren'…

> the history and origins of the modern police

> in the US they first emerged as 'slave patrols'

> Sir Robert Peel and his version of the 'police service'

I assume that prior to the "modern" police, policing was still necessary, since there were lawbreakers and troublemakers since time immemorial. What do you regard as the substantive difference between the pre-modern police force and the modern? Did the former somehow serve "all of us" better than the latter?

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by liber8 »

hcurtiss wrote: post #513
jorvi wrote: post #500

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No, I know our legal system quite well. You are wrong. The reason for this is so that if you buy a bicycle at, say, a bicycle fair and for a reasonable price, you shouldn’t have to worry about it being yoinked from under you later on. Lawmakers have clarified this is choosing between two evils, there is no winning proposition here. So, in conclusion: the original owner needs to file the claim, not the third party.

To the degree lawmakers have weighed in, as you say, can you point me to a citation protecting the subsequent purchaser? I don't practice in this area, but that is definitely not my understanding of the law.

This guy is wrong, which is why he isn't citing any legal authority.

As anyone who has gone to law school will tell you, you can only acquire the title that the seller has. If seller stole the goods, he doesn't have any title, so he can't transfer title to a subsequent buyer. See, e.g. UCC § 2-403

There are exceptions when it comes to those who have voidable title (thieves do not have voidable title).

There are also cases where courts have more or less created exceptions close to those OP has described. For example, if Best Buy receives some stolen merchandise and sells it to good faith purchasers, courts have held that the victim needs to pursue the thief/Best Buy, not the end purchaser.

But generally, OP is wrong: if you buy a stolen bike at a flea market, you don't get title and the owner can get the bike back. Think of the policy implications if the rule was as OP claims. All thieves would have to do is immediately sell stolen goods and the owners could never get them back. That would be absurd.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by dieortin »

gorgoiler wrote: post #381
whycome wrote: post #148

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I fully expect Apple to release the airTag in different form factors. They can then also sell a whole bunch of new accessories. A 'pen' form factor with replaceable AAAA battery might be perfect for myself.

Another useful form factor would be the battery itself. Replace one of your AAAs with an AAAirTag, albeit at the expense of some mAh.

You would lose on voltage, and your item would probably stop working

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by 0xffff2 »

shortstuffsushi wrote: post #505
tobyjsullivan wrote: post #502

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Re: changing batteries. - To change a battery, you need to not only see the notification but also be physically proximal to the device and have a fresh battery available. It can take some time to meet all these conditions and sometimes you simply forget. - A single air tag only needs the battery replaced roughly every six months. However, the rate of replacements increases as you are managing more air tags. It's easy…

> physically proximal to the device and have a fresh battery available I think it's also worth saying, these batteries aren't the standard AA batteries most people on hand, they're 2032 (I believe? or 2025) "quarter batteries" which isn't something a lot of people just keep around. So in addition to being physically proximal, once they've figured out how to open it up and being surprised by the "weird battery," they'…

> which isn't something a lot of people just keep around

Surely it's something that airtag owners keep around in bulk? I don't have any airtags/tiles/etc, but I can't imagine owning just one. As soon as I have one, I might as well have 6 or 12. If I'm replacing 2*n batteries per year, even if n is just 2 or 3, I'm buying these things in bulk!

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by 0xffff2 »

dieortin wrote: post #523
gorgoiler wrote: post #381

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Another useful form factor would be the battery itself. Replace one of your AAAs with an AAAirTag, albeit at the expense of some mAh.

You would lose on voltage, and your item would probably stop working

The idea would be to engineer a product that is both a low-capacity battery and an air tag.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by 0xffff2 »

yonatan8070 wrote: post #445
unsupp0rted wrote: post #198

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Theft-tracking is sort of an "off-label" use for AirTags, from Apple's perspective. They'd rather make AirTags less generally useful than make them both more generally useful + open to stalking occurrences and lawsuits.

I don't understand why AirTags being used for stalking would open Apple to lawsuits. If I buy a hammer and use it to attack someone, the manufacturer of the hammer isn't open to a lawsuit. Of course I'm not saying Apple shouldn't try to protect people from stalkers using their control over their products, I just don't see why it would make Appld responsible if someone misused their products.

Conversely, people have been suing gun manufacturers after shootings basically forever.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

shortstuffsushi wrote: post #505
tobyjsullivan wrote: post #502

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Re: changing batteries. - To change a battery, you need to not only see the notification but also be physically proximal to the device and have a fresh battery available. It can take some time to meet all these conditions and sometimes you simply forget. - A single air tag only needs the battery replaced roughly every six months. However, the rate of replacements increases as you are managing more air tags. It's easy…

> physically proximal to the device and have a fresh battery available I think it's also worth saying, these batteries aren't the standard AA batteries most people on hand, they're 2032 (I believe? or 2025) "quarter batteries" which isn't something a lot of people just keep around. So in addition to being physically proximal, once they've figured out how to open it up and being surprised by the "weird battery," they'…

> hey're 2032 (I believe? or 2025) "quarter batteries" which isn't something a lot of people just keep around.

This might be slightly tangent but I used to think that. Except now I have a kid. Do you have any idea how many crazy weird battery sizes some of these new toys take? I think I now have like 4 or 5 different sized button batteries in my inventory.

"Back in my day" everything was either AA, C or D. These days, that isn't the case anymore. Only "big things" take "big batteries" like AA->D or they have a few built-in 18650's and a generic charger onboard.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by jjeaff »

mati365 wrote: post #422
satonakamoto wrote: post #414

My $2 version: https://img.alicdn.com/bao/uploaded/i3/278427340/O1CN01LBluO... https://img.alicdn.com/bao/uploaded/i3/278427340/O1CN01qLKoY... https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i4/4611686018427384736/O1CN0... https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i1/4611686018427381970/O1CN0...

That white clock looks cool. What's the name?

I have a dozen of those style temperature gauges all over my house. Mine are actually a slightly smaller, square version. You can use Home Assistant to read the Bluetooth temperature and humidity readings from them. They ended up costing maybe $3 each when buying several at a time. Battery tends to last a bit over a year.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by jjeaff »

0xffff2 wrote: post #526
yonatan8070 wrote: post #445

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I don't understand why AirTags being used for stalking would open Apple to lawsuits. If I buy a hammer and use it to attack someone, the manufacturer of the hammer isn't open to a lawsuit. Of course I'm not saying Apple shouldn't try to protect people from stalkers using their control over their products, I just don't see why it would make Appld responsible if someone misused their products.

Conversely, people have been suing gun manufacturers after shootings basically forever.

Ya, but those cases have tended to get a bit more traction because the primary purpose of firearms is to kill and there are lots of things that gun makers could do to make it more difficult to kill people with them (like built in locking mechanisms). A little different than say, a hammer, which is not meant as a weapon of death.

Re: A 10-Year Battery for AirTag

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Post by 0xffff2 »

wyager wrote: post #171
grujicd wrote: post #152

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It's not very risky to leave expensive items in the car, but in the trunk, not on the backseat! Also, never put these expensive items or really any kind of bag in the trunk after you park. Always do it before the ride. Or at least make very sure that no one is watching you. This is a basic safety drill. And it doesn't apply to expensive things only. You don't want your window broken for a sport bag with a sweaty t-sh…

> in the trunk, not on the backseat! Also, never put these expensive items or really any kind of bag in the trunk after you park... You don't want your window broken for a sport bag A frustrating thing is that it's completely optional to live in a society where this is a problem. We know how to stop this from happening. There are places where you just don't have to live in fear of some low-life breaking your window,…

Can you elaborate? I'm honestly at a loss as to what you're suggesting? Is it just that we should have extremely long jail sentences and/or executions for petty crimes, or is there some other option I'm missing?
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