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Marc Andreessen “tried really hard not to invent anything new”

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Re: Marc Andreessen “tried really hard not to invent anything new”

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Let me just ask - When has anyone ever actually invented anything totally new? The telephone? It was referred to as the "speaking telegraph" (telegraph + speakers). The car? Horseless carriage (engine + wheels + steering + brakes) The plane? Glider + engine. The Wright brothers invented powered flight - not flight. The difficulty was getting the weight to lift ratio high enough with a primitive heavy engine on board.…

Special Relativity was in the air in 1906. General Relativity wasn't. The comments on that Quora post make a similar point.

Edit: Whoops! It was obviously in the air in 1906, since Einstein published in 1905. :)

Re: Marc Andreessen “tried really hard not to invent anything new”

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Let me just ask - When has anyone ever actually invented anything totally new? The telephone? It was referred to as the "speaking telegraph" (telegraph + speakers). The car? Horseless carriage (engine + wheels + steering + brakes) The plane? Glider + engine. The Wright brothers invented powered flight - not flight. The difficulty was getting the weight to lift ratio high enough with a primitive heavy engine on board.…

Special Relativity was in the air in 1906. General Relativity wasn't. The comments on that Quora post make a similar point. Edit: Whoops! It was obviously in the air in 1906, since Einstein published in 1905. :)

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Counter factuals are mere speculations. But if I had to make a choice between Einstein being special or the time being special I'd pick the time any day. People are replaceable - situations aren't - no exceptions.

Re: Marc Andreessen “tried really hard not to invent anything new”

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It takes all kinds. The world would be a duller place if all of us were chasing current goals.

Note: I never said "current." 2nd and 3rd order goals are fine and sometimes require cleverness.

Alpha geek matches are often about people arriving at problems that are not widely realised.

Re: Marc Andreessen “tried really hard not to invent anything new”

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Note: I never said "current." 2nd and 3rd order goals are fine and sometimes require cleverness.

Alpha geek matches are often about people arriving at problems that are not widely realised.

We are vehemently agreeing here, seemingly in part to defend the good name of alpha geeks everywhere. Alpha-geek behavior isn't going to go away. It's such a potent force, a company better damned well harness it for its own good. Otherwise, it's like a rocket without a dependable guidance system. To neglect this is to court disaster.

(Even better, an Alpha Geek better damned well harness it for her/his own enlightened self interest, or I won't work with them.)

(Or, did you just want me to say that Alpha Geeks are all just like saints? They often wish they were kensei.)

Re: Marc Andreessen “tried really hard not to invent anything new”

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Let me just ask - When has anyone ever actually invented anything totally new? The telephone? It was referred to as the "speaking telegraph" (telegraph + speakers). The car? Horseless carriage (engine + wheels + steering + brakes) The plane? Glider + engine. The Wright brothers invented powered flight - not flight. The difficulty was getting the weight to lift ratio high enough with a primitive heavy engine on board.…

But weren't these things new precisely because the only way to describe them was using already existing words? If the telephone wasn't a new thing, why didn't we have a word for it yet?

Also, I think you are undervaluing the worth of that discovering a use for some combination of things that have existed for ages.

I think that even can be true if that combination, in hindsight, looks like a simple continuation of existing developments. A cride analogy: in hindsight, many problems appear to be in P, while they actually are NP-complete.

Re: Marc Andreessen “tried really hard not to invent anything new”

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Let me just ask - When has anyone ever actually invented anything totally new? The telephone? It was referred to as the "speaking telegraph" (telegraph + speakers). The car? Horseless carriage (engine + wheels + steering + brakes) The plane? Glider + engine. The Wright brothers invented powered flight - not flight. The difficulty was getting the weight to lift ratio high enough with a primitive heavy engine on board.…

I think you're playing a game of semantics while also disregarding the extraordinary value of ideas that drive arrangement and purpose which thus define created/evolved things as "new".

Semantically, who expects that something "new" has to be made from some exotic arrangement of Higgs Bosons doing something in extra dimensions that we had never thought possible? New is whatever people tend to agree on is different enough to call it that.

In terms of your disregard of arrangement and purpose, think of it this way: The atoms that make up a human being and give him all the range of thought and emotion that he has can be copied chemically and put in a big jar. That jar of chemicals is cheap and practically valueless. The particular arrangement that makes up a human being is something completely new and different from the sum of its parts. A cynic would say, "But a living human is just a rearrangement of pre-existing carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and some other common chemicals."

Re: Marc Andreessen “tried really hard not to invent anything new”

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Alpha geek matches are often about people arriving at problems that are not widely realised.

We are vehemently agreeing here, seemingly in part to defend the good name of alpha geeks everywhere. Alpha-geek behavior isn't going to go away. It's such a potent force, a company better damned well harness it for its own good. Otherwise, it's like a rocket without a dependable guidance system. To neglect this is to court disaster. (Even better, an Alpha Geek better damned well harness it for her/his own enlightene…

I think we are in agreement - the part about good companies finding a way to tap alpha geek energy rings very true.

Re: Marc Andreessen “tried really hard not to invent anything new”

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Upvoted, but I disagree. I think you are spot on with suggesting actual progress does not happen by inventing anything 'new' from scratch. But I do not agree nothing new is ever invented. Arguing that things come about as combinations upon combinations of small, 'not completely new' inventions is begging the question. When you compare the state of human affairs in 5000 BC with the state now, you can't possibly mean t…

Wait long enough and things will appear new and magical. My point is merely that any invention is still the gradual accumulation and unique combination of previous ideas (and so forth). Even if you lack the knowledge about how something came to be it does not change the fact that: Everything is a remix. > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. > if you can see where something could be g…

Wait long enough and things will appear new and magical. My point is merely that any invention is still the gradual accumulation and unique combination of previous ideas (and so forth). Even if you lack the knowledge about how something came to be it does not change the fact that: Everything is a remix.

No one disagrees that all inventions build upon older ideas and inventions.

Your attempt to redefine what the word "new" means in the realm of inventions doesn't logically prove anything. It's just kind of a semantically-induced logical dead-end.

A confluence of events if you will.

This reminds me of arguing with a Creationist about the statistical likelihood that DNA would have assembled randomly from the primordial ooze. They claim that man must have been "created" because of the statistical unlikelihood that base chemicals would just randomly assemble into a living creature. Their arguments always ignore the electro-chemical and evolutionary forces that drive the "confluence" and turn it from a random coincidence to a statistical likelihood. Likewise, you appear to ignore the drive of the individual inventor in assembling and delivering pre-existing technologies.

Were the technologies unavailable to make YouTube before it was made? No. What was new was the assembly of those technologies at the proper time when they could be supported by the environment. As individual technologies, nothing was "new". As a whole, it was definitely new.

Once again, I perceive your argument as an exercise in semantics to denigrate the new by redefining "new" in order to make some larger argument about the incremental contribution of inventions made by inventors. In order to reach your same conclusions, one would have to pretend that there was no novelty in the way that pre-existing things were assembled.

There are negligibly few atoms on the Earth that weren't here 4 billion years ago, yet I doubt you'd argue that nothing new has appeared on the Earth since then.

[Edit: Clarified the Creationist point]

Re: Marc Andreessen “tried really hard not to invent anything new”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Special Relativity was in the air in 1906. General Relativity wasn't. The comments on that Quora post make a similar point. Edit: Whoops! It was obviously in the air in 1906, since Einstein published in 1905. :)

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Counter factuals are mere speculations. But if I had to make a choice between Einstein being special or the time being special I'd pick the time any day. People are replaceable - situations aren't - no exceptions.

But if I had to make a choice between Einstein being special or the time being special I'd pick the time any day.

So if you're hiring someone to fill a role at your organization, I guess you don't need to interview them? Just put a warm body in the chair and the magic will happen?

Alternatively, why do you post to HN? The situation is here without you. Why do you consider your thoughts and opinions to be special enough to share in any way?

Re: Marc Andreessen “tried really hard not to invent anything new”

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Perhaps. Perhaps not. Counter factuals are mere speculations. But if I had to make a choice between Einstein being special or the time being special I'd pick the time any day. People are replaceable - situations aren't - no exceptions.

But if I had to make a choice between Einstein being special or the time being special I'd pick the time any day. So if you're hiring someone to fill a role at your organization, I guess you don't need to interview them? Just put a warm body in the chair and the magic will happen? Alternatively, why do you post to HN? The situation is here without you. Why do you consider your thoughts and opinions to be special enou…

Just because I said that people weren't special - it does not follow that all people for all jobs are equivalent.

If you look at the development of any theory or invention you'll notice that there are multiple origins that converge to a single feature (just like - wait for it - EVOLUTION!).

Any one individual is not special as there always others who could've taken their place.

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