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Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by beardedwizard »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #119
llm_nerd wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume they believe in the advantages, to the company, of using these AI tools. Of adding them to the workflow, training their employees, and understanding quickly how it impacts their space. If you just wait and all of your competitors have a workforce enabled and equipped with the best tools, you are at a disadvantage. It's being the company that put off computerization or automation when everyone else went wild.…

> And FWIW, I cannot imagine a programmer, in 2024, that remains dismissive of LLMs or the related tooling. Hi. > While they are grossly oversold by the LinkedIn crowd, That is true. > and are still a far ways from so-called "prompt engineers" replacing devs, Also true. > they're a massive accelerator and "second set of eyes", especially if you're doing varied, novel work. That is not even remotely my experience. Lik…

There is a lot to unpack here, but is your code so interesting that it defies understanding by an AST? Code models are trained to semantically represent code, so unless you use semantics that exist outside of software engineering the claim that your code is too unique for llm is false.

Maybe you are imagining a case where the entire codebase is generated by a single prompt?

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by brookst »

behnamoh wrote: post #84
everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

3 years ago, I and many people were using GPT-3 on our iPhones and Apple Watches (see for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDB3uIEgU0E&t=36s ). For 3 years I wondered why Apple wouldn't make it a native feature. - Was it because they didn't want to use a third-party AI system? No, because Apple Intelligence uses ChatGPT anyway. - Was it because Apple didn't know how to add AI features to iOS? No, if anything t…

Thanks for the obligatory “Apple is doomed” comment.

I get it, and odds are one day it will be true so no harm trotting it out decade after decade, but I don’t think that time is now.

- Watch and AirPods have both been incredible successful and were pure Cook-era Apple. Both were first envisioned after Jobs died.

- Car was a failure, but it seems odd to criticize Cook for being a mere optimizer when he enthusiastically spent billions on the project. Which is it? No vision, or too-ambitious vision?

- Agree that AVP has been disappointing. But again, so what? It’s similar to the Newton. Not every product will succeed. And again it’s hard to see AVP as a “McDonalds” effort.

I don’t know what it is about Apple that attracts these “they are doomed if every product isn’t as revolutionary as the iPhone” takes. Who else is having world-changing home runs with every product?

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by Clubber »

llm_nerd wrote: post #134
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And FWIW, I cannot imagine a programmer, in 2024, that remains dismissive of LLMs or the related tooling. Hi. > While they are grossly oversold by the LinkedIn crowd, That is true. > and are still a far ways from so-called "prompt engineers" replacing devs, Also true. > they're a massive accelerator and "second set of eyes", especially if you're doing varied, novel work. That is not even remotely my experience. Lik…

>Hi. I was being dismissively rhetorical. I can actually imagine them because we see them on HN constantly, with a Luddism that somehow actually becomes a rather hilarious attempt at superiority. A "well if you actually get use out of them, I guess you're just not at my superior level of Unique Projects and Unique Code". It's honestly just embarrassing at this point. >but bluntly put, the code I work on day to day is…

>with a Luddism that somehow actually becomes a rather hilarious attempt at superiority

>The people who usually think LLMs aren't valuable to coders generally work on the most boring, copy/paste prattle.

Here you are doing the same thing, aren't you?

Instead of calling people names, the biggest tell of a weak argument, why don't you explain the type of work you do and how using an LLM is faster than if you coded it yourself and and/or also faster than any current way of doing the same thing.

I'm assuming you are a senior+ level coder.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by [deleted] »

jjice wrote: post #120
criddell wrote: post #83

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Have you played with Shortcuts yet? That's the one iOS (and I suposed iPadOS and macOS) feature that simultaneously makes me very happy and infuriates me. It's so satisfying to get something working, but it's usually a pretty frustrating experience getting there.

I'm so interesting in Shortcuts and I love the idea of them, but I haven't found much of a personal use for them yet outside of a shortcut to a specific Google Sheet. That said, I love that Apple has made this a first party thing. Tasker on Android was a bit finicky (not a knock - it's gotta be hard not being the platform owner and dealing with so much different hardware). I want to have a use for them so badly! Ever…

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Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by brookst »

freetime2 wrote: post #53

The only “benefit” of Apple Intelligence so far is that it apparently requires a lot of memory, causing Apple to bump up their minimum Mac Mini configurations to 16 GB memory. I’m loving my Mac Mini so far - but that’s entirely due to the M4 chip inside rather than any Apple Intelligence feature. I have not used a single Intelligence feature beyond just trying them out initially and being completely underwhelmed.

You don’t find the LM based spelling and word suggestions much better than the old ones?

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by inversetelecine »

freetime2 wrote: post #53

The only “benefit” of Apple Intelligence so far is that it apparently requires a lot of memory, causing Apple to bump up their minimum Mac Mini configurations to 16 GB memory. I’m loving my Mac Mini so far - but that’s entirely due to the M4 chip inside rather than any Apple Intelligence feature. I have not used a single Intelligence feature beyond just trying them out initially and being completely underwhelmed.

Same, it was something I played with maybe for 10 minutes, then forgot about.

Glad my iPhone 14 Pro isn't supported.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by HumblyTossed »

jwr wrote: post #103

The E-mail categorization is so bad that it's totally useless. Most of my E-mails are categorized wrong. I can't see how anyone thought it was a good idea to deploy this.

$3 trillion dollar company. What are they doing with the money? I'm baffled they could still be putting out anything less than exceptional quality.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by vezycash »

nixosbestos wrote: post #95
llm_nerd wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume they believe in the advantages, to the company, of using these AI tools. Of adding them to the workflow, training their employees, and understanding quickly how it impacts their space. If you just wait and all of your competitors have a workforce enabled and equipped with the best tools, you are at a disadvantage. It's being the company that put off computerization or automation when everyone else went wild.…

ChatGPT thinks 9.11 > 9.9. I'm in no hurry.

> ChatGPT thinks 9.11 > 9.9

I've confirmed this asked chatgpt: 9.11 > 9.9 true or false?

True because .11 is greater than .9

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