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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

lovich wrote: post #128
soheil wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a stupid argument. This is about censorship to American citizens and a conversation about losing their rights as an authoritarian state's victims.

If TikTok is the only place you can speak and there aren’t equivalent services then it sounds like it needs to be broken up on the basis of being a monopoly. As there are other services and the only thing being targeted is foreign ownership by members of a country that blocks our services, then no, I don’t think it’s about censorship. This wasn’t even a ban on TikTok, bytedance could have sold to an American owner bu…

You’ll find most of TikTok content on YouTube shorts or on Facebook. Content provider often don’t even bother getting rid of the TikTok watermark.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by lovich »

soheil wrote: post #124
supernetworks_ wrote: post #42

Americans can’t invest directly in Chinese companies and shouldn’t be obligated to host Chinese companies in their markets or be surprised when political whims ban them, since the lack of shared investment is political too. People clearly enjoy the content on there so the outcome is sad but it’s a complicated economic dynamic that is hard to grasp

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And a larger portion of the population doesn’t care that you can’t share cat and dance videos on an app labeled TikTok instead of an app labeled Instagram or Reels or X other copycats. TikTok was allowed to continue to exist as well as long as they divested from Chinese ownership

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by soheil »

xnx wrote: post #36

1) Excellent way to teach millions of people about sideloading overnight. This could be a big win for Android (where sideloading is easy) vs. iPhone were sideloading is impossible (? or only possible only with an annual dev license?) 2) Will this affect apps like CapCut and Lemon8 too?

Yeah tiktok is a drop in the ocean for the critical mass needed for people to abandon iPhone. It is already highly censored in the US and no one said let's use Android.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by solaarphunk »

est wrote: post #122
gkanai wrote: post #105

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> They are blocked because they don’t censor content. These platforms certainly do censor content. They have large teams globally that do just that.

> They have large teams globally that do just that. You are spreading the misinformation. Google can't keep up with the censorship shit and gave up as stated in their official blog https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-chin... > a more open Internet outweighed our discomfort in agreeing to censor some results > We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn P…

Google did everything right in terms of local execution to get all the required licensure and top talent, and then Sergey threw it away.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by est »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #129
est wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China will not only ban American companies or services next, Xi will probably ban the US dollar.

That won’t happen. China would be more angry if the USA all of a sudden didn’t let them participate in treasury auctions.

You know there's a rumor saying Trump/Xi would trade Taiwan with US treasury bonds.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by tgma »

est wrote: post #101
tgma wrote: post #45

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Banning the sale of a single app controlled by an adversary is building a "Great Firewall" in your book? (Note that it is not even a ban on the app at the ISP level.) There are legit arguments against the policy but this ain't one.

Great Frewall wasn't built in one day

Please explain its first day then if you want to make that case.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by siva7 »

xnx wrote: post #36

1) Excellent way to teach millions of people about sideloading overnight. This could be a big win for Android (where sideloading is easy) vs. iPhone were sideloading is impossible (? or only possible only with an annual dev license?) 2) Will this affect apps like CapCut and Lemon8 too?

Sounds like the “Year of Linux” fantasies 20-30 years ago. No, people won’t learn about side-loading much like they didn’t care to try out linux instead of windows. They will simply use a competitor app.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by threeseed »

soheil wrote: post #121
gkanai wrote: post #100

Reciprocity is key. Google and Facebook and most Western web services are blocked in China. If that is the case, then there should be no complaint with blocking Bytedance/other Chinese apps in the West.

This is such a stupid argument. This is about censorship to American citizens and a conversation about losing their rights as an authoritarian state's victims.

a) Using TikTok is not a right.

b) Removing the platform entirely is not censorship. Especially when everyone will just shift to Instagram, Youtube etc.

c) This was a decision made by the US Congress. It is by definition not authoritarian.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

solaarphunk wrote: post #134
est wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have large teams globally that do just that. You are spreading the misinformation. Google can't keep up with the censorship shit and gave up as stated in their official blog https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-chin... > a more open Internet outweighed our discomfort in agreeing to censor some results > We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn P…

Google did everything right in terms of local execution to get all the required licensure and top talent, and then Sergey threw it away.

Both founders having grown up in communist block countries supposedly had something to do with their aversion. At least that’s what I heard (was working for MS china back then).

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by soheil »

geor9e wrote: post #81

Apple and Google control exactly what data apps can possibly harvest, via their OS permissions. There are millions of apps on their app stores. If apps are acting like spyware then the government should pressure Apple and Google to fix the issue at the OS level. Otherwise it's just whack-a-mole.

Apps are not acting like spyware on iOS or else you're as clueless as the Reuters "journalist" who wrote this propaganda piece and never probably seen Swift code or looked into how incredibly well app sandboxing works.
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