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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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So many decisions are being made during the transition that could have been made before the election. Is this normal / good for the countries in general? Regarding TikTok I agree that it's a national security problem for USA in its current form, so actually it is not even the decision that I oppose.

The decision was made a year ago when the bill was passed.

The date is pretty suspect though.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

#42
Americans can’t invest directly in Chinese companies and shouldn’t be obligated to host Chinese companies in their markets or be surprised when political whims ban them, since the lack of shared investment is political too. People clearly enjoy the content on there so the outcome is sad but it’s a complicated economic dynamic that is hard to grasp

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So banning a public square has nothing to do with free speech? "A fundamental principle of the First Amendment is that all persons have access to places where they can speak and listen, and then, after reflection, speak and listen once more." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packingham_v._North_Carolina

It’s not a public square. They ban people from their private square all the time.

The Court held that social media—defined broadly to include Facebook, Amazon.com, The Washington Post, and WebMD—is a "protected space" under the First Amendment for lawful speech

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

#44
post #36

1) Excellent way to teach millions of people about sideloading overnight. This could be a big win for Android (where sideloading is easy) vs. iPhone were sideloading is impossible (? or only possible only with an annual dev license?) 2) Will this affect apps like CapCut and Lemon8 too?

TikTok could just release a web app

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

#45
post #16

Great firewall is one of the worst aspects of China, why do that here?

Banning the sale of a single app controlled by an adversary is building a "Great Firewall" in your book? (Note that it is not even a ban on the app at the ISP level.) There are legit arguments against the policy but this ain't one.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

#46
post #16

Great firewall is one of the worst aspects of China, why do that here?

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If spying and influencing vulnerable youths is the problem, shouldn't we be getting EU-like privacy laws and anti-social-media laws instead?

Youths are just as able to get addicted to chinese-produced content on instagram and youtube as tiktok, and all 3 of those apps use algorithms that optimize for roughly the same thing (making you watch more ads and contents, profit).

Other companies collect similar amount of our vulnerable youth's private information, also for the same reason (to target ads).

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

#47
post #32

Motto of the powerful. Can't beat them? Ban them. Same thing they did with Huawei they can't steal the patents it owns to use on their 5G network so ban them.

Are Huawei backdoors part of the active telecom control that China has in the US networks currently? TikTok seems much more benign.

> Are Huawei backdoors part of the active telecom control that China has in the US networks currently?

No. There were audits and fond no backdoors in Huawei equipment.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

#48

Americans can’t invest directly in Chinese companies and shouldn’t be obligated to host Chinese companies in their markets or be surprised when political whims ban them, since the lack of shared investment is political too. People clearly enjoy the content on there so the outcome is sad but it’s a complicated economic dynamic that is hard to grasp

60% of Bytedance is owned by American investors https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/26/technology/tiktok-investo...

> Susquehanna, a global trading firm, first invested in ByteDance in 2012 and now owns roughly 15 percent of the company, a person familiar with the investment said. The Chinese arm of Sequoia Capital, a Silicon Valley venture capital firm, invested in ByteDance in 2014 when it was valued at $500 million. Sequoia’s U.S.-based growth fund later followed suit.

> General Atlantic, a private equity firm, invested in ByteDance in 2017 at a $20 billion valuation. Bill Ford, General Atlantic’s chief executive, has a seat on ByteDance’s board of directors. The company’s other notable U.S. investors include the private equity firms KKR and the Carlyle Group, as well as the hedge fund Coatue Management.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

#49
post #47
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are Huawei backdoors part of the active telecom control that China has in the US networks currently? TikTok seems much more benign.

> Are Huawei backdoors part of the active telecom control that China has in the US networks currently? No. There were audits and fond no backdoors in Huawei equipment.

Audits can only conclusively prove existence of backdoors, not lack of backdoors. At best, you get some assurance.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

#50
post #2

Bizarre, in the land of free speech the government is suppressing it.

"Free speech" is not like the free square in Bingo. You can't just use it whenever. Commerce is already regulated, speech is already regulated, there's no way around those things not being absolute. If you have a specific argument about the nuance of this situation, then make it.

I’m no Tiktok fan but the US has extremely broad free speech protections and its hard to see how this could be constitutional.

Individuals posting videos of themselves is clearly speech so we are in the 1st amendment territory. None of the usual exceptions for certain types of content (defamation, threats, fraud etc) apply because the restriction isn’t on specific content.

The only way out I could see is saying national security/secrets require us to prevent the Chinese company Tiktok from operating in the US.

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