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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by dalton01 »

huuhee3 wrote: post #446
ben_hn wrote: post #437

It's not phones or tablets. It's the wrong doing apps / social netwrks / games. Same applies to friends: there are friend circles that bring only bad behaviors. We don't ban friendship because of that. Ban social network apps. Ban addictive games. Ban notifications and any other FOMO-triggering mechanisms. Don't ban phones.

Banning phones is simpler, and has no downsides. You are at school to learn, you don't need a phone or tablet for that. Besides, lots of things can be addictive and distracting. Personally I'm addicted to reading news. Had smartphones existed when I was a kid, simply banning social media and games wouldn't have been enough.

Banning phones has no downsides. You're in the office to work, you don't need a phone or tablet for that.

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Post by greentxt »

api wrote: post #413
washadjeffmad wrote: post #404

Can we have smartphone threads where everyone discloses whether they're an app developer or have another conflict of interest? Some of us know these kids are cash cows and are behaving like the anti-gun-regulation lobby of the tech world. I am not an app developer and derive no income from the sale or usage of smartphones or their software.

I call social media and other addictionware companies the “tobacco companies of the mind.” The problem isn’t the phone per se. It’s the apps, which is why I don’t have that shit on my phone and use screen time and app approval with kids. Not only do these companies addict and drain peoples’ wallets, but I largely blame them for the sorry state of political discourse. I watched it happen. When the algorithmic timeline…

Right, mainstream news has been doing this same clickbait for half century at least and it is the reason we allow it from social media. We're desensitized to it and actually seek it out. We live to suffer and be enraged, because in our minds democracy depends upon it.

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Post by greentxt »

ben_hn wrote: post #437

It's not phones or tablets. It's the wrong doing apps / social netwrks / games. Same applies to friends: there are friend circles that bring only bad behaviors. We don't ban friendship because of that. Ban social network apps. Ban addictive games. Ban notifications and any other FOMO-triggering mechanisms. Don't ban phones.

Define phone. See.

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

ben_hn wrote: post #437

It's not phones or tablets. It's the wrong doing apps / social netwrks / games. Same applies to friends: there are friend circles that bring only bad behaviors. We don't ban friendship because of that. Ban social network apps. Ban addictive games. Ban notifications and any other FOMO-triggering mechanisms. Don't ban phones.

Just ban advertising. Everything follows from the all out war on attention, and ads are its fuel.

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Post by jonhohle »

sahmeepee wrote: post #457
rob_c wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but most IT graduates working in a UK school on that salary are beyond inept in all honesty which is why do y many kids are able to find ways around the tills they use...

That is quite an offensive and uninformed comment. I worked in that sector a long time ago and your hipshot is very far from my lived experience. If you want to educate yourself in what the large community of typically very dedicated IT workers in UK schools do to protect children from online harm, search for edugeek and take a look through their "filtering" related forum. Back when I did that kind of work the web fi…

You know how you get it right? Either on prem, offline everything, or explicit allow lists controlled by teachers for that specific period. Disable USB ports.

That’s what we moved to for one of our kids who couldn’t handle it. Except we have to control the access because the school won’t. It works.

Is it perfect? No. Google Docs is the worst due to embedding. But it beats whack-a-mole.

I’ve now had to do the management job of six teachers because they apparently don’t have the skill to deal with 30 kids with Swiss cheese restrictions. This, despite significant investments in software.

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Post by jonhohle »

dylan604 wrote: post #129
jonhohle wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our school has similar restriction, but then shoved Chromebooks in front of every kid and they use chat instead of text, watch videos, and play games all through class instead. When I’ve tried to find alternatives for my more distractible kids, the school acts like we’re putting them out. What is the point of a cell phone ban when it’s just replaced with a more capable device?

If a school doesn’t have an IT policy of blocking YouTube and socials, then they are just inept. If the school is buying instructional material that requires that, then they are inept. If an instructional company is making anything requiring any of that, they are inept.

If they’d train on my child’s search and browser history, they’d probably close most holes within minutes of them being known. smh

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

agile-gift0262 wrote: post #397

When I see all these "phone ban" experiments, I always wonder, is the phone that's the issue, or is it the apps/websites tailored for engagement (a.k.a addiction)? Maybe instead of banning kids from using phones, they should consider banning companies from making their apps addictive on purpose.

All because of the pervasive ad-based business model. Ban ads and things will change. Some says "ad are easy because payments are too costly" but the day we ban ads, payment processors will change their own model to make sure they capture all the market previously owned by ads. And freemium works for platforms that pretend their users can't pay.

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Post by nightowl_games »

In my province, they implemented a smart phone ban in public schools this year. It was wild to see the political push back, where people just made stuff up to oppose it because they were politically opposed to the government in general.

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Post by sourcepluck »

kelipso wrote: post #436
thrw42A8N wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would my credit card be in their Apple Wallet?

Point is that things happen if you are not super careful. They could use your phone, you could have forgotten about it, etc etc. Not everyone is some carefully planning nerd who remembers everything all the time.

> Not everyone is some carefully planning nerd who remembers everything all the time.

I chuckled at this. The "carefully planning nerds" are being ruthlessly called out here, and I for one did not see it coming.

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