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School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by kelipso »

thrw42A8N wrote: post #406
washadjeffmad wrote: post #404

Can we have smartphone threads where everyone discloses whether they're an app developer or have another conflict of interest? Some of us know these kids are cash cows and are behaving like the anti-gun-regulation lobby of the tech world. I am not an app developer and derive no income from the sale or usage of smartphones or their software.

I don't know any single anti-gun-regulation person who manufactures guns. Anyways. I am not app developer blah blah and I'm against this. Don't want your kids to be cash cows? Don't give them a credit card...?

Acting like kids are so easily controlled. You just need the passcode if you credit card is in apple wallet, for example.

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Post by sebgan »

ChrisLTD wrote: post #409
agile-gift0262 wrote: post #397

When I see all these "phone ban" experiments, I always wonder, is the phone that's the issue, or is it the apps/websites tailored for engagement (a.k.a addiction)? Maybe instead of banning kids from using phones, they should consider banning companies from making their apps addictive on purpose.

To what end? Why do school kids need a smartphone?

We got phones for our kids primarily to keep in touch when they are away, especially when they have after school sports, at work (yes, even at 14 they can have gainful employment opportunities like reffing soccer). It would be great if the "smart" phone had a true "dumb" mode where the phone basically becomes a Nokia Blue vintage talk / text device. Not an app you have to install, but something that is part of the OS which I, as the parent, can control.

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Post by thrw42A8N »

kelipso wrote: post #431
thrw42A8N wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know any single anti-gun-regulation person who manufactures guns. Anyways. I am not app developer blah blah and I'm against this. Don't want your kids to be cash cows? Don't give them a credit card...?

Acting like kids are so easily controlled. You just need the passcode if you credit card is in apple wallet, for example.

Why would my credit card be in their Apple Wallet?

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by qwjd »

jrtageh wrote: post #422
agile-gift0262 wrote: post #397

When I see all these "phone ban" experiments, I always wonder, is the phone that's the issue, or is it the apps/websites tailored for engagement (a.k.a addiction)? Maybe instead of banning kids from using phones, they should consider banning companies from making their apps addictive on purpose.

For increased happiness it is the ban of addictive websites. Likes, dislikes and most importantly, flagging, censoring and cancelling , externalizes your locus of control and makes you think that you live in a dystopian world. The Internet wasn't this bad when people were on Usenet and no one would censor your thoughts. For cognitive abilities it is the phone ban itself.

Naturally, this comment is flagged. Naturally, without explanation, as is the practice of dystopian wankers.

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by kelipso »

thrw42A8N wrote: post #433
kelipso wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Acting like kids are so easily controlled. You just need the passcode if you credit card is in apple wallet, for example.

Why would my credit card be in their Apple Wallet?

Point is that things happen if you are not super careful. They could use your phone, you could have forgotten about it, etc etc. Not everyone is some carefully planning nerd who remembers everything all the time.

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Post by ben_hn »

It's not phones or tablets. It's the wrong doing apps / social netwrks / games. Same applies to friends: there are friend circles that bring only bad behaviors. We don't ban friendship because of that. Ban social network apps. Ban addictive games. Ban notifications and any other FOMO-triggering mechanisms. Don't ban phones.

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Post by Levitating »

agile-gift0262 wrote: post #397

When I see all these "phone ban" experiments, I always wonder, is the phone that's the issue, or is it the apps/websites tailored for engagement (a.k.a addiction)? Maybe instead of banning kids from using phones, they should consider banning companies from making their apps addictive on purpose.

Obviously it's the apps. If you would give all kids phones that could only call and play snake they wouldn't be so engaged with it all the time.

Most modern social media apps are now redesigned to allow for endless doomscrolling. YouTube, TikTok, Instagram all allow to scroll through content fed to you by an algorithm without even being able to preview the next video. It just slams it in your face.

It's extremely addictive and imo harmful. It ruins attention spans, it ruins social development and it causes insecurities.

I am in favor of banning smartphones in schools. I have seen what these apps do to people only a few years younger than me and it's just depressing.

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by dmd »

ben_hn wrote: post #437

It's not phones or tablets. It's the wrong doing apps / social netwrks / games. Same applies to friends: there are friend circles that bring only bad behaviors. We don't ban friendship because of that. Ban social network apps. Ban addictive games. Ban notifications and any other FOMO-triggering mechanisms. Don't ban phones.

This is the same argument people make for not banning guns, and it's a bad argument there too.

Re: School smartphone ban results in better sleep and improved mood: study

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Post by frde_me »

thrw42A8N wrote: post #426
onlyontheapi wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do they drive revenue from ads too?

What ads? The ads I blocked with PiHole?

You just went to where 99% of parents don't even know how to get to. Do you think it should be expected of parents to figure out how to use whatever "PiHole" is to protect their kids?

I admire your personal dedication to making it as hard as possible to be exploited, but we really can't expect non-tech people to go to the same lengths. And at one point, we might have to admit that parents who spend 99% of their time struggling to even get by and do the basics for their kids need schools and other resources to help out by doing things such as banning phones.

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